Questions needing answers

[Peter B]

...Scientists today are nothing more than modern day magicians and shamans who weave their spells with high level math that only they can understand. 

Well, you're entitled to your view of scientists. Of course, these are the people responsible for developing the concepts which lie behind the technology you're using to post here. Plus, as far as I'm concerned, I'll thank scientists for developing the antibiotics that saved my life a few years ago, and for developing the cochlear implants my son wears.

The globe earth is your religion and the scientists are your priests.  You believe in stuff that doesn't exist.

You do realise, don't you, that the people who came to the conclusion that the Earth was a globe were people like sailors and philosophers? Not scientists.

If you're going to accuse people of coming up with ideas you don't like, you might as well accuse the right people.

[bknight]

Sorry, not taking NASA word for it.  30" hmmmm?  I wonder how they fit through this size of hole with a space suit?  Try this; draw a 30" line on your driveway (in chalk) and just imagine trying to fit through this diameter. 
But given that this was all faked in a studio somewhere I guess it doesn't really matter now does it?  And anyone looking at the pictures of the 3 men strapped to their seat can see there is hardly any room to move around.

This has been pointed out to you several times, the astronauts were NOT wearing SPACE SUITS while in the CSM, LM docked configuration, just flight suits. Look up live video feed depicting them travelling into the LM from the CSM

[bknight]

tradosaurus, a thread has been created for you, please use it for  FE ranting's.  Use this thread for discussing your Apollo mis-understands.
Your original questions have been answered many times and yet you continue to ignore them and/or refuse to answer questions.  Hand waving and misdirecting is a normal behavior for conspirators start answering the questions.

I have been given answers, but that's about it.  And the only misdirection is on your part by demanding answers to NASA's nazi origin.

What more could a reasonable person want?  Answers, that you refuse to accept for your silly questions.

[Peter B]

How do you know?  Are you taking it on faith from NASA? 

Please think about this carefully.  Do you know that YOU can't prove the following?
1) The earth is round
2) The earth rotates
3) The sun is 93,000,000 miles away
4) Water adheres to a curved surface
5) Gravity exists

And do me a favor; google "satellites" and see if you find one actual picture and not a composite drawing or a CGI animated. 

Good luck!

We don't need to rely on NASA. For the umpteenth time, NASA is not the only space agency in the world.

Would you accept the word of the Soviets? They had no reason to do any favours to the USA in the 1960s, but it seems they agreed with NASA on the roundness of the Earth:

[bknight]

Could 1960's technology operated in this environment?

Such a feast of trollish ignorance!  One crumb that has not been picked over is the above statement.

Of course it could.  So could 1950s technology, Several spacecraft orbited the Earth and some flew to the Moon more than a decade before Apollo.

In the 1960s Earth orbiting satellites were also built by France, UK, Italy, Australia, and West Germany.  US and Soviet spacecraft orbited and landed on the Moon and flew to Mars and Venus. China and Japan launched satellites in the 70s, a period which saw spacecraft land on Mars and Venus and reach Jupiter, Saturn and Mercury.  West Germany built a satellite that orbited the Sun closer than Mercury in the 70s.

There is nothing remarkable about 60s technology putting people on the Moon (or building supersonic airliners).

How do you know?  Are you taking it on faith from NASA? 

Please think about this carefully.  Do you know that YOU can't prove the following?
1) The earth is round

Proven by the Greeks over 2000 years ago and many times since.  Navigation in the Southern hemisphere proves that lines of longitude converge the further South you get from the equator.  The fact that the sun lights up the bottoms of clouds during sunrises and sunsets proves the world is round.  The fact that RADAR and radio range increases with altitude proves the world is round. 

2) The earth rotates

coriolis, foucault's pendulum, gyroscopic compasses

3) The sun is 93,000,000 miles away

Again, done by the Greeks first over 2000 years ago though Aristarchus doesn't usually get the credit.  Cassini also did it in the 1600s as have many since.  Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't true.
http://www.space.com/17081-how-far-is-earth-from-the-sun.html

4) Water adheres to a curved surface

you've never seen a ball get wet?  Are they perpetually dry?  See next item.

5) Gravity exists

Cavendish

And do me a favor; google "satellites" and see if you find one actual picture and not a composite drawing or a CGI animated. 

Good luck!

And what would that prove?  Satellites are very small and hundreds of miles away.  How would you expect someone on the ground to get a picture you would recognize?  Strawman much?

Thanks.  You proved my point.  You personally can't prove any of it but you have faith in the globe earth religion.  And try adhering water to a spinning ball at 1,000 mph. LOL

The ISS is visible to the naked eye, better with a bit of magnification.

[JayUtah]

I don't care what NASA says since they are liars and thieves.

 

Not exactly. You cherry-pick what NASA says.  If it's something you think you can use against them, then it's a question that needs an answer.  But if NASA supplies the answer, then they're liars and thieves and believing it -- no matter how substantive -- constitutes brainwashing.

I'm asking you and others to do some critical thinking so maybe you can stop being brainwashed.

Actually everyone around you is doing critical thinking.  What you're asking is that everyone just agree with you because you say so.

The command module is just one of many discrepancies of the moon landing hoax.

Not really.  The world's engineers accept the Apollo command module as a valid spacecraft.  The world's scientists, and other relevant qualified professionals also accept it.  The only way you can pretend there's any substance to your (likely insincere) beliefs is to claim everyone is brainwashed except for you.  It really doesn't get much more trollish than that.

...no blast craters or dust under the lunar module...

Yep, the same old long-debunked nonsense.  Under the guise of being critical you're just letting other people do your thinking for you.  It's the same sad hoax-claimant story.

[LunarOrbit]

Simply, the sun is less than 4,000 miles in diameter and much closer to earth (less than 10,000 miles).  The reason satellites don't see it is because satellites don't exist (google "satellite")

Oh OK, so my satellite dish is pointing at something 15000 miles further out than the sun yet somehow I get TV all day on it without it being blocked by something wider than the Atlantic.

It's called antennas.  Did you know that Italian physicist and radio pioneer Guglielmo Marconi succeeded in sending the first radio transmission across the Atlantic Ocean?  It's called the flat earth. 

Do you know why Marconi used a kite as his antenna? Do you know why the CN Tower in Toronto (basically a large radio antenna) is so tall? The answer to both questions is because the Earth is round, and the height of the kite and CN Tower extends the range beyond what a shorter antenna could achieve due to the curvature of the Earth.

[Peter B]

Can I just confirm that you realised you posted a photograph, not a video. The point being that a photo shows an instant of time and gives no indication of what happened in the following seconds, minutes or hours.

Maybe you can have Mythbusters to replicate the cramped space of the command module, sit 3 guys fully dressed in space suits and then asked them to undress.  LOL.

Why should anyone care about your incredulity?

I don't care what NASA says since they are liars and thieves.

Ouch. Strong words. Now show us some evidence, please.

I'm asking you and others to do some critical thinking so maybe you can stop being brainwashed.

The command module is just one of many discrepancies of the moon landing hoax.   Simple thought experiments that question the ability of 1960's technology to make the trip and back, no blast craters or dust under the lunar module, the ability of the astronauts to do any fine motor skills with the pressurized gloves, etc.   Is it any wonder the U.S is a joke outside of this country?   

Well, not only have I done some critical thinking, I've looked at the evidence and done some thought experiments and actual experiments of my own. Everything about Apollo hangs together.

In particular, as you seem to need constant reminding that NASA is not the only space agency in the world, I've compared the Apollo evidence with evidence from the space programs of other countries. It all hangs together.

The USA might not be a popular country around the world, but it's not because of NASA.

In any case, if all the other countries in the world are going along with NASA in promoting a round-earthiness hoax, why should NASA be unpopular at all? Your conspiracy now makes even less sense.

[bknight]

Well you are wrong on two accounts which isn't surprising given that you have worked with NASA, the peddler of many lies.

You claim to be a degreed mechanical engineer, with a degree date that would make you close to 50 years old.  Yet you have no grasp whatsoever of elementary Newtonian dynamics, let alone fluid dynamics, your research skills are nonexistent, and your writing style is that of a bored adolescent. 

No, you're no engineer, and repeating this transparent lie does not make it any more convincing.  You should have paid a little more attention to the composition of the regular membership here; you're far from the first poseur who thought he could bluff about his qualifications here.

You really have no clue about the relationship of NASA to the rest of the aerospace world.  It's typical of the clueless conspiracy crackpot to assume that the U.S. civil space agency can somehow hide the true nature of the world, when the Greeks figured out the size of the spherical Earth more than twenty centuries ago with little more than their feet and some sticks. 

Moreover. I've also worked on defense projects, and purely commercial projects that had nothing at all to do with NASA.  The same principles apply to all, and many tens of billions of dollars of commerce annually rely on the observed nature of the Earth.  But you're oblivious to all of that; you simply have no idea what you're talking about.

We could have a separate discussion of why the Vatican 2 church is not Catholic but an anti-church and how that fulfills prophecy that Jesus predicted, that the eternal sacrifice will cease (ie. there will be no mass) in the end times. 

No, we couldn't.  In the first place, I'm not interested in your theological beliefs.   In the second place, the idea that the Church endorsed the idea of a flat Earth prior to Vatican 2 is hilariously, spectacularly, wrong.  Never mind the science and technology you don't understand; you can't even get the most basic facts right.

But really, though, I think you're just a troll, so I don't really see any point in continuing to try to educate you.

Uh oh, you used the magic word; Newtonian mechanics.  Now you have mesmerized me and I can't defend myself. 
I really could care less whether you believe I'm an engineer or not.  My diploma says otherwise.  But I've listened to many educated idiots such as Neil Tyson and believe me I'm not impressed.  Scientists today are nothing more than modern day magicians and shamans who weave their spells with high level math that only they can understand. 
The globe earth is your religion and the scientists are your priests.  You believe in stuff that doesn't exist.

Again I ask you to quit posting FE comments in this Apollo thread.  Ther has bee another thread created for such discussions for you in "Other Conspiracy Theories

[Peter B]

tradosaurus, a thread has been created for you, please use it for  FE ranting's.  Use this thread for discussing your Apollo mis-understands.
Your original questions have been answered many times and yet you continue to ignore them and/or refuse to answer questions.  Hand waving and misdirecting is a normal behavior for conspirators start answering the questions.

I have been given answers, but that's about it.  And the only misdirection is on your part by demanding answers to NASA's nazi origin.

Oh noes!!!11! I asked questions and all I got was answers!

/sarcasm

Do you have any idea how silly that sounds?

[LunarOrbit]

Side note, I'm pretty sure he's deleting posts, since I see responses to ones that are missing when I read the page.

I don't think so. All deleted posts go to a "recycle bin" and there is only one by him. He could be editing them, but only within a short timeframe.

[LunarOrbit]

 

Can we please stop feeding tradosaurus's personal obsession about FE? This thread is about Apollo.

Although my first instinct was to moderate the flat Earth discussion for being off topic, I'm willing to allow it due to the tenuous connection to Apollo (being that Apollo would be impossible in a flat Earth scenario, according to Tradosaurus).

[JayUtah]

I really could care less whether you believe I'm an engineer or not.

Now, when it's obvious your bluff isn't working.

The problem is, you led with it.  Before you said anything else, you wanted people to understand that you were a degreed engineer.  Everything you said thereafter was supposed to be taken as the engineer's expert opinion.  That perception was important when you thought your frantic Googling and your perusal of Apollo hoax web sites would keep up the illusion.  But now that you realize there's much more to space engineering than you imagine, and you're in over your head, you have to downplay that original claim.

Scientists today are nothing more than modern day magicians...

So which college did you flunk out of?

[bknight]

Can we please stop feeding tradosaurus's personal obsession about FE? This thread is about Apollo.

Although my first instinct was to moderate the flat Earth discussion for being off topic, I'm willing to allow it due to the tenuous connection to Apollo (being that Apollo would be impossible in a flat Earth scenario, according to Tradosaurus).

Well cat created a thread foe him to post his nonsense FE claims and some of us guilty also of hijacking are trying to get the comments back to Apollo.

[nomuse]

I really could care less whether you believe I'm an engineer or not.  My diploma says otherwise.  But I've listened to many educated idiots such as Neil Tyson and believe me I'm not impressed.  Scientists today are nothing more than modern day magicians and shamans who weave their spells with high level math that only they can understand. 

I can understand it, and I'm a liberal arts major. Not saying it is easy, but trust me they aren't all chanting "abracababra." It is real math, and if you struggle through it, the sums come out the same for you as they do for them.

The globe earth is your religion and the scientists are your priests.  You believe in stuff that doesn't exist.

Liberal arts major. I trust in the Greeks, in early explorers, in Eratosthenes of Cyrene and Léon Foucault, in Galileo and Newton and Kepler. And if you are going to give up the early scientist-philosophers, then you aren't even in the right millennium.