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Offline Luke Pemberton

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Re: Strong arguments versus weak arguments.
« Reply #375 on: June 24, 2012, 04:30:23 PM »
Thanks Al! :)

Thanks LO. I have my card and am ready to play. Come on HBs.
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Offline Bob B.

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Re: Strong arguments versus weak arguments.
« Reply #376 on: June 24, 2012, 04:37:56 PM »
Here's a few others if you need more:

LM not tested
Blueprints destroyed
Soviet superiority
We haven't returned
Rocks collected by robots
No exhaust flame visible
Film would melt
Fluttering flag
Identical backgrounds
Looks normal at double speed
Solar flares
Whistle blowers

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Re: Strong arguments versus weak arguments.
« Reply #377 on: June 24, 2012, 04:43:57 PM »
As an added bonus, I have just learned how to take a screenshot!
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Re: Strong arguments versus weak arguments.
« Reply #378 on: June 24, 2012, 04:46:07 PM »
Thanks, Bob. I don't think there can be too many. Adding more will create more variety in the cards.
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I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth.
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Re: Strong arguments versus weak arguments.
« Reply #379 on: June 24, 2012, 04:47:40 PM »
As an added bonus, I have just learned how to take a screenshot!

It comes in handy. But still, I wish I could have generated the game card as an image so people only had to right-click on it and click "Save image as".
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth.
I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth.
I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small.
- Neil Armstrong (1930-2012)

Offline Bob B.

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Re: Strong arguments versus weak arguments.
« Reply #380 on: June 24, 2012, 04:57:05 PM »
This is the primary reason he irks me so; people who are qualified and experienced in the areas regarding the claims he makes have told him he is wrong, why he is wrong, and how he can prove to himself he is in error..... but he just chooses to ignore those who do actually know more than he does.

Who is "he"?

Offline Luke Pemberton

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Re: Strong arguments versus weak arguments.
« Reply #381 on: June 24, 2012, 04:59:01 PM »
Here's a few others if you need more:

LM not tested

Armstrong crashed the LLRV before the lunar landing in 1969.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein.

I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people – Sir Isaac Newton.

A polar orbit would also bypass the SAA - Tim Finch

Offline Luke Pemberton

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Re: Strong arguments versus weak arguments.
« Reply #382 on: June 24, 2012, 04:59:51 PM »
This is the primary reason he irks me so; people who are qualified and experienced in the areas regarding the claims he makes have told him he is wrong, why he is wrong, and how he can prove to himself he is in error..... but he just chooses to ignore those who do actually know more than he does.

Who is "he"?

The antipodean with the whiny nasal voice and maths skills of a chimp, he who shall not be named at these boards.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein.

I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people – Sir Isaac Newton.

A polar orbit would also bypass the SAA - Tim Finch

Offline Andromeda

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Re: Strong arguments versus weak arguments.
« Reply #383 on: June 24, 2012, 05:16:09 PM »
How about

The Russians were in on it
The LM is too small inside
They needed a huge rocket to get off the Earth, that tiny one could not get them off the Moon
Who filmed the first steps
Who filmed the takeoff
Apollo 18
We only went once, in 1969
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Re: Strong arguments versus weak arguments.
« Reply #384 on: June 24, 2012, 05:29:43 PM »
Here's a few others if you need more:

LM not tested

Armstrong crashed the LLRV before the lunar landing in 1969.

Alternatively, some hoax idjits have said he crashed the prototype LM.

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Re: Strong arguments versus weak arguments.
« Reply #385 on: June 24, 2012, 06:02:44 PM »
How about

The Russians were in on it
The LM is too small inside
They needed a huge rocket to get off the Earth, that tiny one could not get them off the Moon
Who filmed the first steps
Who filmed the takeoff
Apollo 18
We only went once, in 1969

Thanks Emma. I've added those, with a couple small changes:

- The spacecraft was too small inside (DAKDAK was concerned about the volume of the CM, so this change will cover both possibilities)
- Only aware of Apollo 11 and 13
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth.
I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth.
I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small.
- Neil Armstrong (1930-2012)

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Re: Strong arguments versus weak arguments.
« Reply #386 on: June 24, 2012, 07:07:46 PM »
Apollo moon rocks are meteorites
Apollo moon rocks  were made on Earth.
Two metres of lead needed for radiation protection
The Saturn V was too small

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Re: Strong arguments versus weak arguments.
« Reply #387 on: June 24, 2012, 07:15:16 PM »
From what I've observed from HB behavior, a "weak" argument is one that was once considered strong but has been so thoroughly debunked that even most HBs now realized it is wrong.

And so the conspiracist duly trots it out as a straw-man concession.  "We all know the stars wouldn't show up in photos, but..."  Pretty much every conspiracist follows this tactic to show that he really is reasonable and is willing to think critically about his own claims.  Instead it usually backfires.  The critic can say, "You were able to concede the star visibility point. Why won't you concede this other point that is equally wrong?"
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Re: Strong arguments versus weak arguments.
« Reply #388 on: June 24, 2012, 07:18:53 PM »
It was filmed underwater....     ;)
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Re: Strong arguments versus weak arguments.
« Reply #389 on: June 24, 2012, 07:55:01 PM »
It was filmed underwater....     ;)
It was filmed in gaseous Uranium Hexafluoride.
Yes, I have encountered that, and as far as I could tell, they were serious.