Chemtrails. The reality.

[gillianren]

I can only speak for myself, of course, but there are times when I don't understand what you're saying.  That isn't me pretending.  That is you not writing clearly.  Granted, I wouldn't be able to write very clearly in Latvian, but that's why I wouldn't go to a Latvian forum to try to convince people of anything.  What brought you here?

[Jason Thompson]

Here is a video, where you can clearly see 2 airplanes, one of them is spraying, one of thm isn`t. It will be very hard to assume that they fly at different altitudes as well.

On the contrary, jet planes routinely fly at a variety of altitudes. That's how they avoid collisions. Why do you think it would be hard to assume they are following standard practice?

A question regarding your dissipation of contrails numbers from earlier: how do you explain clouds?

[advancedboy]

Jason, just address the video- 2 jets 1 chemtrail. As simple as that. Are you going to claim their flight altitudes are of such difference that each of them would have completely different trails behind them? Clouds have a larger diameter  of water droplets, you can research it yourself, that`s why you won`t see a rain coming from regular contrails.

Here is how some people react to chemtrails. Warning. Foul language.

[Jason Thompson]

Jason, just address the video- 2 jets 1 chemtrail. As simple as that. Are you going to claim their flight altitudes are of such difference that each of them would have completely different trails behind them?

Yes, I am. As I said, jets fly at different altitudes all the time, and the differences in atmospheric conditions can be quite marked. It only takes a small change to go from conditions where water vapour will condense and where it won't.

Clouds have a larger diameter  of water droplets, you can research it yourself, that`s why you won`t see a rain coming from regular contrails.

Which clouds are made of what size water droplets, and what size water droplets are formed in contrails? I don't see rain coming from a whole variety of clouds. Cumulus clouds, cirrus clouds, these don't produce rain. They do linger for a very long time, however. Now explain that properly.

[nomuse]

What video will he post next?  The Rainbow Sprinkler Lady?

On a more productive note, it is obvious why chemtrails would be spread from so high up they would be thoroughly mixed and dispersed in the atmosphere before they got anywhere near the ground:

Chemtrails are homeopathic.

[Abaddon]

Jason, just address the video- 2 jets 1 chemtrail. As simple as that. Are you going to claim their flight altitudes are of such difference that each of them would have completely different trails behind them?

Different altitudes, different atmospheric conditions at those altitudes, simple as that.

You do comprehend that the atmosphere is not the same at every altitude, right?
After all, nobody could be daft enough to think that the atmosphere was the same all the way up, right?

Clouds have a larger diameter  of water droplets, you can research it yourself, that`s why you won`t see a rain coming from regular contrails.

And that's also why not every cloud produces rain. That's just common sense, right?

Here is how some people react to chemtrails. Warning. Foul language.

A video of a crackpot ranting about the evil NWO poisoning us is not evidence of anything except for the existence of crackpots.

[carpediem]

Jason, just address the video- 2 jets 1 chemtrail.

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[Al Johnston]

People have been seeing contrails since the days of powered flight. It was often reported as a problem for bombers in World War II, since it produced a nice neat trail for the enemy aircraft to follow.

As an aside, 'Johnnie' Johnson mentions in his autobiography Wing Leader that patrolling Spitfires would often fly just below the height at which they formed contrails - that made it easier to spot anyone trying to 'bounce' them from above...

[ka9q]

I'd only vaguely heard of the 'chemtrail' nonsense. Every time I hear another so-called conspiracy I wonder for some time if my leg is being pulled. Are people really that ignorant of science? Apparently so. But we can at least try.

Advancedboy, are you aware of the following facts?

1. Modern airplanes fly at a wide range of altitudes up to and beyond 40,000 feet or 12 km.

2. Up through this range of altitudes, the temperature of the earth's atmosphere drops sharply at first, reaching a minimum of about -55C.

3. Except at fairly low altitudes, atmospheric temperatures are below the freezing point of water, even in the tropics.

4. Modern aircraft burn petroleum-based fuels, mixtures of liquid hydrocarbons. When burned with air, the primary reaction products are water and carbon dioxide.

5. Sometimes, when the conditions are right, the water condenses into droplets and/or freezes to fine ice crystals visible as a white cloud. We call these contrails.

Please tell me, do you know these facts? I have learned never to assume even the most basic levels of knowledge in discussions like this.

[SolusLupus]

Here is a video, where you can clearly see 2 airplanes, one of them is spraying, one of thm isn`t. It will be very hard to assume that they fly at different altitudes as well. And it will be hard to convince me tha both of them are not jet airplanes.

France:

Rather nice of the super-secret Illuminati conspiracy, that influences the entire globe, to be so sloppy as to have two planes side by side.  Tsk tsk tsk.

Or maybe the video isn't as indicative as you thought.

[advancedboy]

Solus Lupus-`Rather nice of the super-secret Illuminati conspiracy, that influences the entire globe, to be so sloppy as to have two planes side by side.  Tsk tsk tsk.`
Don`t even try to shove down my throat that illuminati stuff. It is not going to happen! And you won`t manage to put me in that category, even don`t go there!

ka9q-`5. Sometimes, when the conditions are right, the water condenses into droplets and/or freezes to fine ice crystals visible as a white cloud. We call these contrails.`
-Then  watch the beginning of video in France, and tell me, what are these conditions fot these 2 airplanes that would make their trails so different, considering they are flying mere 200 meters apart. What temperature deviations and droplet diameter differencs can you offer  for the trail to  be lingering? You really think I am so stupid and don`t know anything about temperatures, altitudes, droplet diameters and dissipation? Beware ,the following videos are not going to  be easier.
 Here is Milwaukee- beer, bucks and chemtrails.

[SolusLupus]

Solus Lupus-`Rather nice of the super-secret Illuminati conspiracy, that influences the entire globe, to be so sloppy as to have two planes side by side.  Tsk tsk tsk.`
Don`t even try to shove down my throat that illuminati stuff. It is not going to happen! And you won`t manage to put me in that category, even don`t go there!

Okay, so not the Illuminati.  Just a GLOBAL conspiracy involving chemtrails by People of Unknown Origin?

Seriously, you post up links from France as well as everywhere else.  That involves a large, underground conspiracy that affects the entire world, don't it?

[Jason Thompson]

-Then  watch the beginning of video in France, and tell me, what are these conditions fot these 2 airplanes that would make their trails so different, considering they are flying mere 200 meters apart.

Show us the calculations you did that allow you to determine they are a 'mere 200 metres apart'.

You really think I am so stupid and don`t know anything about temperatures, altitudes, droplet diameters and dissipation?

Explain why clouds linger and contrails, according to your numbers, do not.

[Jason Thompson]

A further thing to note:

And it will be hard to convince me tha both of them are not jet airplanes.

Even if we could make the effort, it would be irrelevant. Contrails pre-date jet aircraft. Look at the Wikipedia page on contrails for a picture of B-17 Flying Fortresses producing contrails from the exhaust of their propeller engines. It doesn't matter what engine burns the fuel, water is always a combustion product and hence contrails form.

[Echnaton]

On top of the sheer irrationality of the conspiracist, the part that bothers me most about the chem-trails claims is, why would the world's airlines and their employees go along with it? I've  known half a dozen of people that work in various airline positions, including dispatch and ground crews.  Certainly the dispatcher would be aware of the systematic flight routing that advancedboy claims is used.  Certainly the ground crews would have to notice the "special vehicles" needed to load the chemicals into the planes.  Not to mention the manufacturers of the planes and whoever else might be involved.   Do all these people let themselves and their families be sprayed just because they get a paycheck?  My friend who loads baggage lives a modest but comfortable lifestyle, but it is hardly luxurious.  And have all their predecessors gone to the grave keeping the secret?


Advancedboy,
Do all these people really let themselves and their families but drugged?  For what reason do they allow this?
Or is this secret is only known to a handful of conspiracist while the people in positions to notice the logistics of spraying know nothing?