Chemtrails. The reality.

[Jason Thompson]

It doesn`t matter what exactly those 2 airplanes are, both are of comparable size, have 2 engines, have absolutely different contrails, and are in near vicinity of each other.

No no NO. You just don't get it, do you? You dont KNOW what those aircraft are, therefore you don't KNOW their relative sizes, and you cannot possibly determine how far apart they are.

Again, I point out that two aircraft of exactly the same size will only differ in apparent size by 9% with 1,000 metres between them.

If you value them visually,  it could work out of being 200 maybe even 300 meters apart.

Or 400, or 1,000. The point is you don't actually KNOW, and you admit it would take experts to calculate it properly, and yet your whole argument is based on you saying that you Do know how far apart they are.

Simply bring forward your parents, and tell them to report me that they have seen these kind of chemtrails all life long.

I just asked one of them. They have.

What do you want to say, that these airplanes are flying so far away, most likely many miles, and that these trails are different because one of them flies in completely different air temperature that it makes the contrails linger?  No, buddy! it won`t happen,

Yes, it will. You can assert that it can't be so all you like, but reality doesn't give a damn what you think. The conditions for contrail to form and linger need only be different by ONE degree Celcius and ONE percent relative humidity and the results will be very different. Such changes can indeed occur over 1km in altitude difference between two aircraft.

because  you will get more and more videos, and reports from people around the world.

I don't care how many videos there are, the physics of the existence of contrails is well known, and so far you have not even shown any indication that you understand it.

Explain clouds and the way they linger in relation to your numbers you put up to explain why contrials should not. You seem more scared of that question than anyone here does about your absurd 9/11 litmus test question.

[advancedboy]

The conditions for contrail to form and linger need only be different by ONE degree Celcius and ONE percent relative humidity and the results will be very different. --proof, references, what are the different results?
 Show me your calcualtions of 9 % visual difference in size  by 2 objects being  a mile apart!

[SolusLupus]

http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/contrail-edu/faq.html

http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/contrail-edu/resources/activities/appleman_student.html

[Jason Thompson]

Show me your calcualtions of 9 % visual difference in size  by 2 objects being  a mile apart!

I didn't say a mile, I said a kilometre. Do try and keep up.

But fine, here we go:

A Boeing 737 is approximately 30 metres in length. We use simple trigonometry to calculate its apparent angular size from the ground at 10 km altitude.

The sine of the angle of a right-angled triangle is equal to the opposite length divided by the hypotenuse. In this case the opposite length is the length of the aircraft, 30 metres; the hypotenuse is the altitude, 10,000 metres. Rearranging the equation gives us the angle being equal to the inverse sine of 30/10,000, which is about 0.172 degrees.

So what about at 11 km altitude? In that case the angle subtended by the aircraft is equal to the inverse sine of 30/11,000, which is about 0.156 degrees.

So that's a difference of about 0.016 degrees.

So, 0.016/0.172 = 0.093, or 9.3%. In other words, the higher plane appears to be 90.7% the size of the lower one.

[VincentMcConnell]

OWNAGE

[advancedboy]

NORTH AMERICAN WEATHER CONSULTANTS OPERATIONAL CLOUD SEEDING PROGRAMS

Partial Listing (through April 2011)

 

 

Project Area: Gunnison County, Colorado

Sponsor: Gunnison County

Technique: Ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 2003-present

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for irrigation water

supplies

Project Area: Little Cottonwood Canyon, Utah

Sponsor: Alta and Snowbird Ski Areas

Technique: Ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1996 – present

Goal: Enhanced winter snowfall for skiing

Project Area: Wellsville and Wasatch Mountains of Northern

Utah

Sponsor: Utah Division of Water Resources and Cache

County

Technique: Ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1997 – 2000, 2002-present

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for irrigation water

supplies

Project Area: Upper Ogden River and Lost Creek

Watersheds, Utah

Sponsor: Weber Basin Water Conservancy District and Utah

Division of Water Resources

Technique: Ground based and airborne silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1991 – 1993

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for irrigation water

supplies

Project Area: Upper San Joaquin River Drainage, Southern

Sierra Nevada of California

Sponsor: Southern California Edison Company

Technique: Ground based and airborne silver iodide seeding

with radar surveillance

Time Period: 1951 – 1987 and 1990 – 1992

Goal: Enhanced winter and summer precipitation for

hydroelectric power production

Project Area: Mountain Watersheds in Central and Southern

Utah

Sponsor: Utah Water Resources Development Corporation

Utah Division of Water Resources, 13 Utah

Counties

Technique: Airborne and ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1973 – 1983, 1987, 1988-present

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for irrigation water

supplies

Project Area: Bear Lake Drainage, Smith & Thomas Forks,

Southwestern Wyoming and Southeastern

Idaho

Sponsor: Utah Power and Light Company

Technique: Ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1954 – 1970; 1979 – 1982, 1989 – 1990

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for hydroelectric

power production

Project Area: Santa Barbara County, California

Sponsor: Santa Barbara County Water Agency

Technique: Ground based and airborne silver iodide seeding

with radar surveillance; ground-based flare

seeding

Time Period: 1950-1953; 1955; 1956-1960; 1978; 1982 – 1997;

2002-2007; 2008-present

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for municipal and

agricultural water supplies

Project Area: Grouse Creek, Raft River, Wellsville and

Wasatch Mountains of Northern Utah

Sponsor: Utah Water Resources Development

Corporation,Utah Division of Water Resources,

and Cache and Box Elder Counties

Technique: Ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1989 – 1997, 2001-present

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for irrigation water

supplies

Project Area: Provo and Weber River Drainages in Western

Uinta Mountains of Utah

Sponsor: Utah Water Resources Development Corporation,

Utah Division of Water Resources, Provo River

Water Users Association and Weber Basin Water

Conservancy District

Technique: Ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1989 – 1995, 2000-present

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for irrigation water

supplies

Project Area: Wasatch Mountains in Eastern Salt Lake

County, Utah

Sponsor: Utah Water Resources Development Corporation;

Utah Division of Water Resources; Salt Lake City

Water Division; and Alta, Brighton, and Snowbird

Ski Areas

Technique: Ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1989 – 1996

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for municipal water

supplies

Project Area: Upper Kings River Drainage in the Southern

Sierra Nevada of California

Sponsor: Kings River Conservation District and Kings River

Water Users Association

Technique: Airborne and ground based silver iodide seeding

with radar surveillance

Time Period: 1989 – 1993, 2007-present

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for irrigation water

supplies

Project Area: Upper Feather River Drainage in the Northern

Sierra Nevada of California

Sponsor: California Department of Water Resources

Technique: Airborne silver iodide seeding with radar

surveillance

Time Period: 1989

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for municipal and

irrigation water supplies

Project Area: Grand Mesa and West Elk Mountains of

Western Colorado

Sponsor: Grand Mesa Water Users Association

Technique: Ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1990 – 1991

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for irrigation water

supplies

Project Area: San Gabriel Mountains, California

Sponsor: Los Angeles County Flood Control District

Technique: Ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1959 – 1973, 1991 – 1993, 1997-2001

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for municipal water

supplies

Project Area: Bannock, Portneuf and Bear River Mountain

Ranges of Southeastern Idaho

Sponsor: Bear River RC&D and Bannock, Bear Lake,

Caribou, Franklin, and Oneida Counties

Technique: Ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1988 – 1989, 1992, 1993

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for irrigation water

supplies

Project Area: Uinta Mountains of Northeastern Utah

Sponsor: Uinta County, Duchesne County and

Utah Division of Water Resources

Technique: Airborne and ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1977, 1989, 2003-present

Goal: Increased winter spring, and summer precipitation

for irrigation water supplies

Project Area: Boise River Drainage, Idaho

Sponsor: Boise Project Board of Control

Technique: Ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1992 – 1996, 2002-2005, 2007-present

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for irrigation water

supplies and hydroelectric power production

Project Area: Willow Creek Drainage, Colorado

Sponsor: Northern Colorado Water Conservancy District

Technique: Ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1992 – 1995

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for irrigation water

supplies

Project Area: Higher Elevation Watersheds of Nine Eastern

Idaho Counties and One Western Wyoming

County

Sponsor: High Country RC&D

Technique: Ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1993, 1995

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for irrigation water

supplies

Project Area: Santa Clara County, California

Sponsor: Santa Clara Valley Water District

Technique: Airborne silver iodide seeding with radar

surveillance

Time Period: 1992

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for municipal water

supplies

Project Area: Mornos River Drainage, Greece

Sponsor: Greater Athens Water Authority

Technique: Airborne silver iodide seeding with radar

surveillance

Time Period: 1992, 1993

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for municipal water

supplies

Project Area: Chixoy River Drainage, Guatemala, C. A.

Sponsor: Empresa Electrica and Instituto Nacional de

Electrificacion

Technique: Airborne and ground based silver iodide seeding

with radar surveillance

Time Period: 1991, 1992, 1994

Goal: Enhanced summer precipitation for hydroelectric

power production

Project Area: El Cajon Drainage Basins, Honduras, C. A.

Sponsor: Empresa Nacional De Energia Electrica

Technique: Airborne and ground based silver iodide seeding

with radar surveillance

Time Period: 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997

Goal: Enhanced summer precipitation for hydroelectric

power production

Project Area: Tsengwen Dam Drainage, Taiwan

Sponsor: Taiwan Central Weather Bureau

Technique: Ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1992, 1994

Goal: Enhanced summer precipitation for irrigation water

supplies

Project Area: West Central Texas Near San Angelo

Sponsor: City of San Angelo, Texas

Technique: Airborne silver iodide seeding with radar

surveillance

Time Period: 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988

Goal: Enhanced summer precipitation for municipal

water supplies

Project Area: Edwards Plateau Northwest of San Antonio

Sponsor: Edwards Underground Water District, San

Antonio, Texas

Technique: Airborne silver iodide seeding with radar

surveillance

Time Period: 1985, 1986

Goal: Enhanced summer precipitation for municipal

water supplies

Project Area: South Central Texas North of Corpus Christi

Sponsor: City of Corpus Christi, Texas

Technique: Airborne silver iodide seeding with radar

surveillance

Time Period: 1985

Goal: Enhanced summer precipitation for municipal

water supplies

Project Area: Pine Valley Mountains in Southwestern Utah

Sponsor: Washington County Water Conservancy District

and Utah Division of Water Resources

Technique: Ground based silver iodide seeding

Time Period: 1985-1987

Goal: Enhanced winter precipitation for municipal and

irrigation water supplies

Project Area: Southern Delaware

Sponsor: Delaware Department of Agriculture

Here are the cloud seeding ( chemtrailing) programmes for continental United States just by a single company- North American Weather Consultants.
Technique: Airborne silver iodide seeding with radar

surveillance

Time Period: 1985

Goal: Enhanced summer precipitation for agricultural land.

Here are the cloud seeding ( chemtrailing) programmes for continental United States just by a single company- North American Weather Consultants.

[gillianren]

Gillianren- was your question about what brought me here? I think I was googling some sites dealing with Apollo and eventually turned up here.  Or was it a different question?

My question was, isn't there a Latvian-language forum where you can go spew ignorance in your first language instead of badly written English?

[Andromeda]

Um, you DO know that cloud-seeding is well-known and involves chemicals which remain in the cloudlayer, right?  Therefore that cloud-seeding and "chemtrailing" are different things?

You are making wild accusations against a LOT of people here.

Also, http://memegenerator.net/instance/20082114

[advancedboy]

Jason, you made calcualtions assuming disatnce 10km, that would imply the airplane would be barely seen at all. The video depicts a zoomed image.  Your trick won`t cut it here.
Gillianren, calm down. I don`t get offensive to women. Don`t use advantage of that.

[Abaddon]

Abaddon-`2. The two contrails are diffusing differently. At 200 meters separation, they would be diffusing identically.`

Learn to quote properly, twit.

- Thank you , for admitting that these are likely chemtrails, even through your circular statement.

Learn to read for comprehension, twit. No such admission was made, twit.
Explain VOR. Now.

The flight patterns are 200 m away, meaning their route, not exactly the fuselages of those airplanes, as they are not flying next to each other.

They are at least a mile apart.

Echaton-` strange bedfellows`- in what reference did you mention it regarding R. Paul?

Why should I care about R. Paul, or any candidate?

[Andromeda]

Jason, you made calcualtions assuming disatnce 10km,

Correct for a passenger aircraft.

that would imply the airplane would be barely seen at all.

Actually the angular resolution limit of the human eye is 0.02 to 0.03 degrees.  Jason's calculation showed the plane would have an angular size of 0.172 degrees - several times larger than the smallest the human eye can see.

The video depicts a zoomed image.

So?  The camera probably has better resolution than the human eye.

Your trick won`t cut it here.

Elementary mathematics is a "trick"?

Gillianren, calm down. I don`t get offensive to women.

It doesn't look that way from the things you have said.

Don`t use advantage of that.

Case in point.

[SolusLupus]

Jason, you made calcualtions assuming disatnce 10km, that would imply the airplane would be barely seen at all. The video depicts a zoomed image.  Your trick won`t cut it here.

You do know how zooming works, right?

[Echnaton]

  I slap America, because I care, and I want them to wake up.

But you don't care enough to be open to the learning we offer here?

I want them to have meaningful jobs, not  at WallMarts and  Kmarts.

I am having a hard time envisioning a guy in Latvia caring about "meaningful jobs" in America while at the same time denigrating the effort of people that work in retail.  Despite what you have heard, Wal-mart is not a bad place to work, relative to the retail sector.  The people at my local Wal-mart work hard.  Many of them are immigrants with limited English skills that get a start at a better life in a new country through these jobs.  I bet the ability to support themselves is meaningful to them!


And by the way, denigrating Apollo is also insulting to people from countries all around the world. 

[Jason Thompson]

Jason, you made calcualtions assuming disatnce 10km, that would imply the airplane would be barely seen at all.

The assumption is valid for passenger aircraft. And it would be easily seen. That angular size calculated is well within the limit of the human eye to resolve.

The video depicts a zoomed image.  Your trick won`t cut it here.

Trick? You think that because the image is zoomed there is going to be a difference? The camera is still at ground level. The angular sizes of the two objects are NOT altered by zooming in, and certainly not relative to each other.

However, thank you for doing exactly what I expected you to do. You asked for a calculation. I provided it. You simply find ways to dismiss it in your ignorance. YOU have been asked for your own calculations on working out the distance between those aircraft and you stubbornly refuse to provide it. Which of us is playing tricks here?

Oh, and your list of cloud seeding stuff is irrelevant. The whole point of cloud seeding is to seed clouds. In other words, what they spray up there stays up there. You are talking about things that make their way to the ground. Totally different and unrelated.

Gillianren, calm down. I don`t get offensive to women. Don`t use advantage of that.

Don't be patronising.

[advancedboy]

If I have an object like airplane 3 metres apart, and another airplane 300 metres away their size difference( visual, percentwise) will be  the same as 2 airplanes observed from 10 km distance being 300 metres apart?
 I added the cloud seeding program, so you could see how widespread the program of such spraying project could be. So it wouldn`t be a surprise how could they spray the whole country.
 I doubt those airplanes are  a mile apart( their trails, consequently), although I am not dead sure, as it is a blurry video.  It wouldn`t prove  that those are contrails.
A hypothetical question- if I had a thread about 9/11 how many of you would stay silent? I want to simply check if you are able to talk truth if it is against the government. And you wouldn`t, if that implied your paycheck. So , Why even bother asking. It is actually a very simple question.As simple as your posting picture of yourself.