I found some statements by Gillianren that are rather complimentary of Hillary Clinton. If we assume that she voted for Clinton, then she is "willing to side with them", "them" being the other 65,841,141 Clinton voters. But Gillianren is not responsible for the beliefs and actions of those 65,841,141 people; she is responsible for her own. Similarly, a Trump voter is not responsible for what the 62,976,216 other Trump voters believe or do; s/he is responsible for his/her own beliefs and actions.
I don't want to speak for Gillianren, but I think you're misunderstanding her. She isn't saying "Joe the Trump Voter" is responsible for the behaviour of other Trump voters. He might have voted for Trump for a variety of perfectly normal reasons, such as the economy or loyalty to the Republican party. But if a large group of racists endorse Donald Trump and he refuses to disavow them it makes it appear that he agrees with their racist beliefs, which if true, would make him a racist. At that point "Joe the Trump Voter" is now supporting a racist President, even if that's not why he supports him.
These things are quite simple.
Either Trump is a racist, or he isn't. How do we know whether he is a racist or not? We can examine his public statements, his policies, his private actions, etc., for evidence of racism, however we choose to define it.
If one concludes that he is not racist, or that he is racist but it is OK to vote for him for other reasons, or that he is racist but being racist is perfectly OK for presidential candidates, or whatever other reason, then what difference does it make who the KKK or the Nazis do or do not support? If David Duke runs for the presidency and the KKK and the Nazis support him instead, is it suddenly more palatable to vote for Trump, because look at me, there aren't as many racists standing next to me! If there are non-racist Trump supporters, should the KKK and the Nazis take pride in the way they are standing with non-racists?
If Trump had explicitly disavowed the endorsement of the KKK, and had not called the Nazis marching the streets of Charlottesville "fine people", then I would agree that it would be unfair to associate him with those racists.
Trump calling Nazis marching in the streets "fine people" is not an example of Nazis supporting Trump; it is an example of Trump supporting Nazis. Here is what Gillianren said:
No. No, that's wrong. If you support him, you are supporting someone also supported by the KKK and Nazis. That's not saying you yourself are either, it's just saying that you are willing to side with them. And if you are . . . .
If you change "also supported by . . . Nazis" to "who supports Nazis", the logical fallacy disappears. If you want to argue that Trump is a racist, that seems a much more palatable solution to me than attempting to defend the logical fallacy.
Regarding the first one, I can speculate that the reason Trump doesn't condemn KKK supporters is because he supports them. I could also speculate that he doesn't condemn them is because he wants to win an election, and has concluded condemning them harms his chances. (Also note that the two explanations are not exclusive.) Perhaps there are other explanations as well.
Oddly enough, it seems Trump has common cause with Muslims here, who are routinely accused of supporting terrorism whenever there is a terrorist attack perpetrated by Muslims, and they fail to condemn it with sufficient vigour. (And sometimes even when they do condemn the attack.)
Personally, I feel there is so much direct, unambiguous evidence on this point, I'm astounded that anyone would feel they have to resort to a logical fallacy to try to make the case.
This "whole flurry" was kicked off by MBDK taking what I said out of context. I stated in my original post that I wanted this thread to chronicle the corruption and bad decisions of Trump and the Republican controlled Congress. I gave as an example a vote held by Republicans just hours earlier that aimed to dismantle an independent ethics office. I posted about it before the vote was eventually reversed, but regardless, I still think it says a lot about Republicans that that was their first action upon being sworn in. But MBDK wants you to believe I was unfairly pinning this on Donald Trump, that it was all unfair speculation that was not based on fact... like a conspiracy theorist.
Fair enough, if the statement was made in a specific context, then perhaps it is incorrect.
If it's a general statement, then I happen to agree with it.
I think you're trying very hard to equate what Republicans are doing now to what Democrats have done in the past.
Perhaps it would be better to focus on what I said, rather than what you suspect my motives might be.
Here's what I actually said.
I happen to agree with that, although I find it quite unremarkable; it is true of every US president (and major party presidential candidate) for as long as I can remember. I've seen criticisms of Trump (and Obama, and Bush Jr, and W Clinton, etc.) that are just plain goofy. I've seen supporters (and opponents) of each of these presidents act in a highly hypocritical fashion, shrieking with outrage when X does something, but becoming strangely quiet when Y does the same thing. Etc.
I've read it again, and I stand by every part of that statement. Do you have any objection to
what I actually said?
So I honestly don't get the whole "both the parties are equally as bad" argument.
Have a read about another type of logical fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man