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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #990 on: April 30, 2020, 07:36:30 PM »
So what happens when one person's right to freedom comes at the expense of someone else's right to life? Or is that too subtle an argument for these patriots?

It's too subtle an argument for Elon Musk. He doesn't understand that people's freedoms don't include endangering the lives of others.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #991 on: April 30, 2020, 08:45:54 PM »
So what happens when one person's right to freedom comes at the expense of someone else's right to life? Or is that too subtle an argument for these patriots?

It's too subtle an argument for Elon Musk. He doesn't understand that people's freedoms don't include endangering the lives of others.

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Sorry, context?
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #992 on: April 30, 2020, 09:08:35 PM »
So what happens when one person's right to freedom comes at the expense of someone else's right to life? Or is that too subtle an argument for these patriots?

It's too subtle an argument for Elon Musk. He doesn't understand that people's freedoms don't include endangering the lives of others.

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Sorry, context?

Oh, sorry, I sometimes forget that not everyone uses Twitter.

Elon has been pretty vocal that the concern over COVID-19 is just overblown paranoia, and just recently expressed his belief that requiring people social distance is "de facto house arrest" and that it is fascism. He has also been retweeting conspiracy theories about how hospitals are supposedly inflating the number of COVID-19 cases in order to receive more funding. He basically believes that people should be free to go about their business even though that will endanger others.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #993 on: May 01, 2020, 10:05:56 AM »
As opposed to many others in the aerospace industry, Elon Musk is a Silicon Valley billionaire.  As a rule, such types are (1) very libertarian, and (2) completely naive when it comes to workable politics.  Perhaps more importantly, he gets $600 million in stock options if Tesla Motors maintains a $100 billion market cap this period, which he stands to miss if his workers don't get back to work soon.  He may be a Silicon Valley billionaire, but he's still acting like he's thinking like a billionaire.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #994 on: May 01, 2020, 10:30:56 AM »
Weird thing about money, the more people have the more they want. I'm not a whizz with finances, and I know business is complex and large sums can come and go very quickly, but why are so many billionaires always up in arms about loss of revenue and demanding government action to save them and their businesses? Richard Branson has been avoiding UK tax for years and is worth about £4.5 billion, but within a week of lockdown was demanding UK goverment (read: taxpayer) bailouts for his airline.

The number I always have in my head when I see billionaires going on about money, taxation etc. is 99.9%. Why that number? Because for most people the loss of 99.9% of their net worth is a disaster. I am OK financially but if I lost 99.9% of my net worth I would be homeless, carless and would only be able to buy food for a short time before I was reduced to begging, never mind afford transport to attend job interviews to get myself back on track. On the other hand, a billionaire who loses 99.9% of his net worth is still a millionaire! And yet, once they get to that top strata, they fly into paroxysms of panic at the possibility of dropping down to still significantly better off that the vast majority of people in the entire world. It would be almost impossible for a billionaire to be reduced to abject poverty, but you'd think to listen to some of them they are constantly walking the line between life and death.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #995 on: May 01, 2020, 10:40:22 AM »
So what happens when one person's right to freedom comes at the expense of someone else's right to life? Or is that too subtle an argument for these patriots?

It's too subtle an argument for Elon Musk. He doesn't understand that people's freedoms don't include endangering the lives of others.

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Sorry, context?

Oh, sorry, I sometimes forget that not everyone uses Twitter.

Elon has been pretty vocal that the concern over COVID-19 is just overblown paranoia, and just recently expressed his belief that requiring people social distance is "de facto house arrest" and that it is fascism. He has also been retweeting conspiracy theories about how hospitals are supposedly inflating the number of COVID-19 cases in order to receive more funding. He basically believes that people should be free to go about their business even though that will endanger others.

God love Elon for what he's doing with SpaceX, but he is a weapons-grade asshole with skin thinner than a grape's.  His vendetta against Unsworth was shameful, and lack of consequences from that has just emboldened him.  And then you have all the Muskrats venerating him like the MAGAts with Trump. 

I'm sure Musk isn't personally affected by the pandemic.  I'm sure that most of his peers are not personally affected. They don't give half a shit for "freedom" or "liberty" or "rights".  They just see empty factory floors and decide That's Not Right, People Need To Be Working And Making Money (For Me).  You wanna know why Millenials are increasingly socialism-curious?  Musk and his ilk are why Millenials are increasingly socialism-curious. 

Yes, the economic fallout from the lockdowns is real and grave and we're heading into a years-long depression with prolonged unemployment that will make the 1930s look like a non-stop party.  But if you send everyone back to work and two weeks later half of them are on their back and unable to work, how have you made the situation any better?  Everything will be shut down again, plus you will have blown up your hospitals and clinics because now more people are sick than can be dealt with.  That situation could be mitigated with extensive testing and tracking so you don't have to shut down the world, but that isn't happening and it isn't going to happen because the right people won't make money from it. 

What we Americans need to acknowledge is that we've blown it.  We've missed every window on containing the pandemic and the fallout from it.  And it's nobody's fault but our own.  The salt-of-the-earth "Real" Americans elected a demented, narcissistic, drug-addled man-baby to lead the country because they were tired of being looked down upon for being ignorant racist shitheads, and because of his actions during this crisis I'm not sure the Union will survive.  States are forming regional pacts because the federal government is unable and unwilling to act in the interests of its people.  GOP strategist and gadfly Rick Wilson coined the phrase (and wrote a book titled) "Everything Trump Touches Dies."  It's turning out to be literally true.  We will be a failed state by the time this is over. 

And I must reiterate, it's the enablers, the people who supported Trump through all of this, who will need to pay.  They will need to lose their positions and livelihoods.  Guys like McConnell and Hannity and Limbaugh need to lose everything and have to get by on Social Security benefits alone. 
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #996 on: May 01, 2020, 10:48:00 AM »
As opposed to many others in the aerospace industry, Elon Musk is a Silicon Valley billionaire.  As a rule, such types are (1) very libertarian, and (2) completely naive when it comes to workable politics.  Perhaps more importantly, he gets $600 million in stock options if Tesla Motors maintains a $100 billion market cap this period, which he stands to miss if his workers don't get back to work soon.  He may be a Silicon Valley billionaire, but he's still acting like he's thinking like a billionaire.

Which concerns me. What other ways is he willing he risk the lives of his employees (or his customers) in order to increase his wealth? Is he going to cut corners when it comes to the safety of the Tesla autopilot system? Is he going to push the envelope too far with crewed SpaceX spacecrafts? I like Tesla and SpaceX a lot, and I've admired Elon... but his stance on COVID-19 cost him a ton of respect.

I understand that the shutdown is really hard for businesses. But without social distancing the effects on the economy would be much worse... it's going to be hard for Tesla employees to go to work when they're hooked up to a ventilator or dead.

My boss once joked (I think?) that if I died he would show up at my funeral, knock on the lid of my coffin, and say "Sorry... I just need you to answer a few questions."
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #997 on: May 01, 2020, 11:32:13 AM »
Yet I was told that I was believing things without evidence for expressing distaste for him here a few months back.  And this was after he called someone involved with that cave rescue a pedophile on no evidence.

Anyway, as to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," well, there's this.  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lockdown-protest-car-message/
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« Reply #998 on: May 01, 2020, 03:55:09 PM »
Or is that too subtle an argument for these patriots?

It might be.  They certainly seem to be acting like they don't understand balancing tests or a hierarchy of rights.  It's more useful to look at the Constitution than the Declaration of Independence.  The latter is certainly enlightening,  but it's intended as a statement of political aspiration.  The Constitution is what's trying to be working law.  And a lot of people point to the constitutional phrases to the effect, "...shall not be abridged," and try to read those as absolute inalienable rights.  They aren't.  No body of law -- even rising as high as the Constitution -- is perfectly contoured.  That's why the United States likes being a common-law country.  But more importantly, balancing one right asserted by one group against a competing right asserted by another group is simply not something that has an inherent, prescriptive solution.  My right inherently imposes a responsibility on you, which may burden your rights.  And vice versa.

What makes this case special and topical is that Michigan is one of the states Pres. Trump tweeted about, effectively encouraging them to rise up in rebellion.  And I understand he tweeted yesterday in support of the protesters.
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« Reply #999 on: May 01, 2020, 05:05:04 PM »
The Constitution is what's trying to be working law.  And a lot of people point to the constitutional phrases to the effect, "...shall not be abridged," and try to read those as absolute inalienable rights.  They aren't.

Indeed, this is common no matter how detailed the law as written is, someone will always take one line from it and treat it like an absolute right. There's no way to take something as short as the US Constitution and take it as the be all and end all of US law. It's surely supposed to be the underlying basis, not the final word. Spirit rather than letter. And do these morons really think that the people who wrote it all out honestly thought that there were no circumstances whatsoever under which exercising that right might be a bad idea, such as during a global pandemic of a disease that can be transmitted easily from person to person?
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« Reply #1000 on: May 01, 2020, 05:07:18 PM »
My right inherently imposes a responsibility on you, which may burden your rights.

As I hear it phrased a lot here, your right to swing your fists ends at the tip of my nose.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1001 on: May 01, 2020, 11:03:38 PM »
Weird thing about money, the more people have the more they want. I'm not a whizz with finances, and I know business is complex and large sums can come and go very quickly, but why are so many billionaires always up in arms about loss of revenue and demanding government action to save them and their businesses? Richard Branson has been avoiding UK tax for years and is worth about £4.5 billion, but within a week of lockdown was demanding UK goverment (read: taxpayer) bailouts for his airline.

The number I always have in my head when I see billionaires going on about money, taxation etc. is 99.9%. Why that number? Because for most people the loss of 99.9% of their net worth is a disaster. I am OK financially but if I lost 99.9% of my net worth I would be homeless, carless and would only be able to buy food for a short time before I was reduced to begging, never mind afford transport to attend job interviews to get myself back on track. On the other hand, a billionaire who loses 99.9% of his net worth is still a millionaire! And yet, once they get to that top strata, they fly into paroxysms of panic at the possibility of dropping down to still significantly better off that the vast majority of people in the entire world. It would be almost impossible for a billionaire to be reduced to abject poverty, but you'd think to listen to some of them they are constantly walking the line between life and death.

Same here in Australia. Virgin Australia was one of two airlines (with Qantas) which dominated the airline industry in Australia, and when things went pear-shaped VA asked for a government bailout of around AU$1.4 billion, with Branson supporting the call. The head of Qantas then said that if VA got a bailout, Qantas should too. The government said no, and VA is now in receivership.

Having said that, though, the issue is murky. On the one hand there is talk that VA's management had made some bad decisions which put the airline in bad financial shape. So there were some people saying that the government was right to not protect a (private and majority foreign-owned) company from it's own bad management. On the other hand the Australian airline industry is small enough that it can't support three major airlines, meaning that two are important for maintaining competitive pricing (even so domestic air travel in Australia is expensive). Back in 2001 the previous competition for Qantas collapsed, leaving Qantas with an effective monopoly. Surprise surprise, the cost of air travel shot up, and it didn't come down again until VA's predecessor Virgin Blue expanded its services. I find it hard to believe Qantas won't exploit its market control once air travel returns to normal.

So the problem is that if you leave the market to itself and an airline fails then the survivor gets a monopoly until such time as new competition can be arranged. But if the government acts to prevent that situation from occurring then there's the temptation to management to make irresponsible decisions in the knowledge that the government will save you from your mistakes. In each case the loser is the Australian air traveller - even before the pandemic the cost of flying within Australia was only a little less than the cost of flying to another country.
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« Reply #1002 on: May 02, 2020, 02:16:15 PM »
There's no way to take something as short as the US Constitution and take it as the be all and end all of US law. It's surely supposed to be the underlying basis, not the final word.

While the Constitution may be short, the standard introductory textbook for law students on constitutional law has 1,900 pages and weighs just over 3 kg.  The U.S. Constitution does many things, but in terms of lawmaking it merely outlines the boundaries inside which laws can be made and enforced.  In fact, the country was several amendments in before it was decided whether the Constitution governed lawmaking by the States, or merely limited the national government.  (In all fairness, a substantial portion of the textbook I mentioned deals with such unique practical problems as our federalism, not with the lofty principles of civil governance.)

Our judiciary is a good example of how it's supposed to work.  Americans speak of an "Article III court," which refers to Article III of the Constitution describing the judiciary.  It mandates one supreme court and one justice.  All the rest is set up by Congress.  And the early efforts to structure a judiciary looked not unlike the way the U.K.'s judiciary evolved from an apparently baffling array of historical courts.  One of the first and most important cases started out as a simple petition for writ of mandamus -- poor Mr Marbury having been denied a certification of his appointment to a judgeship by James Madison's state department.  The case turned on the Judiciary Act of 1789 that was worded slightly -- but importantly -- differently than the Constitution.  The law -- Congress' initial attempt to create the "inferior courts" asked for in Article III -- defined a certain kind of court and over what cases it had original jurisdiction.  But it contradicted the direction given in Article III regarding the original jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.

Mr Marbury never got his judgeship; the case was dismissed for lack of jurisdiction.  But in deciding that the U.S. Supreme Court did not have original jurisdiction over his petition for that specific writ, as the Constitution specified, the Court made a very important ruling.  It noted that the time-honored role of courts is, in part, to decide which of two contradicting laws should govern some set of facts, and stated brazenly that the Constitution -- being a very high law, but a law nonetheless -- should be subject to interpretation, construction, and analysis the same as any other law.  This includes the balancing of equities that render the law of the constitution malleable where necessary, not absolute and inviolable.  Judicial review of laws is not a power the Constitutional officially grands to courts in the U.S., but it's one of the most powerful things an Article III court can do.  Similarly, courts established in the States have the power to review state laws for conformance to state constitutions.  And there is a complicated set of rules to govern when U.S. district courts can test state laws against the U.S. Constitution.

Thither Michigan.  Perhaps coincidentally, the Michigan Court of Claims handed down a ruling on the same day upholding the likely constitutionality of the Governor's orders establishing the quarantine.  (Plaintiffs had asked for a preliminary injunction, which was denied on the grounds of the plaintiff's unlikelihood to succeed on the merits.)

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And do these morons really think that the people who wrote it all out honestly thought that there were no circumstances whatsoever under which exercising that right might be a bad idea, such as during a global pandemic of a disease that can be transmitted easily from person to person?

Yes -- in so many words -- with a "but."  The "No stars in the photos!" version of the legal argument here comes from Ex Parte Milligan, a famous 1866 case in which the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the rights guaranteed in the Constitution (in this case, the right to due process) are not suspended just because the government is dealing with an emergency (in this case, the U.S. Civil War).  It is then argued (erroneously) that this establishes the supremacy of constitutionally-protected rights over such things as executive orders.

Plaintiffs in the Michigan case allege that the Governor violated the right of due process in quarantining everyone, not just the sick.  They argued further that the Governor had no right to issue such orders, because the state constitution hadn't granted her that power.

The second point was easily disposed of. As in nearly every State, there is a law in Michigan that governs when the executive may issue emergency orders.  It defines what constitutes an emergency.  It grants the executive certain additional powers, enumerated in the law.  (Restricting travel is a common provision.)  It limits the duration and extent of such orders.  And it reserves the power to review and overturn the orders, and the sole power to decide to extend them.  (Here in Utah the legislature wants to revise our emergency law to require the Governor to give the legislature 48 hours' prior warning before issuing an emergency order, but this is largely a political tussle.). So as long as the Governor exercises only the powers delegated to her, according to the law governing that delegation, no separation-of-powers question arises.

The due-process question requires more analysis, but the summary of it is that while Milligan precludes statements of the ilk, "There is an emergency, therefore your rights are suspended," it quite conspicuously fails to prevent emergency circumstances from being considered in the balance of equities.  Preventing exigency from being a supremely overriding concern does not stop it from being a concern at all.  Nearly all causes of action that allege government overreach cite Milligan in this same wrong way.

Infamously, American courts have little if any power to second-guess the wisdom of a legislature or the executive.  Those are considered policy matters, and therefore governed by the mechanics of political government, apart from which the judiciary ostensibly stands.  So the constitutionality of the Governor's order -- it having the ad hoc force of law and thus being reviewable -- has to clear only a very low bar.  An order within an officer's endowed duties simply has to be rationally connected to an evident emergency, and lack evidence of an ulterior motive.  In short, a court answers only two questions:  Does the officer have the power to make this law?  and, Is the law merely a pretext?  The court does not ensure wise government, only orderly and lawful government.  It is not permitted to question the wisdom of whether quarantining everyone is a good idea.

The order having been given pursuant to undeniable evidence of a global pandemic, its documented appearance and lethality in Michigan, and uncontested principles of epidemiology, it easily passes constitutional muster on the rational basis point.  Plaintiffs present no evidence that the steps it advocates have any other goal except the stated desire to prevent widespread infection.  Whether better or less burdensome restrictions would have been more desirable is outside the court's jurisdiction.

Political remedies for the wisdom of the order need to go a long way before armed rebellion is the appropriate remedy.  Here the political process has worked; the Michigan state legislature is controlled by Republicans, and they have declined to extend the Governor's emergency order -- the power they reserved for themselves and, by extension, for the people.  This is the advisable process for changing policy in the U.S. pattern of government.  It is highly flawed in practice, but it's design to try to keep the question of what should be done in the hands of the people, not of some judge.

The undercurrent of this movement flows over a solid bed of American individualism.  The attitude of many an average American is that no one can tell him or her what to do.  The Spanish Flu quarantine and subsequent focus on public health gave rise to many court cases testing the legal extent of individual sovereignty, and nearly all of them sided with public health.  The argument is presented that a person's health and the care of his body should always be his own business.  No decision by government should impose treatments or preventative measures upon people who don't want to be burdened by them.  They get to decide for themselves how to address the risk of illness or injury, and accept as much risk as they want in order to exercise their constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms.  It's the Nanny State argument writ somewhat smaller.

It's not hard to see the fallacy on which this is based.  Our ability to communicate deadly diseases amongst ourselves creates a duty of care that necessarily burdens the rights of assembly and commerce.  Most individualists don't disagree, but they advertise that the only acceptable remedy is to quarantine just the contagious.  The constitutionality of such a quarantine policy is undisputed, as it is a narrowly-tailored temporary policy based on the actual discovery of infection.  It raises little question of due process.  Here, however, we simply have no practical way to determine who is contagious and who is not.  For reasons we have lamented here, the U.S. was entirely unprepared to make that determination and thereby enact a more narrowly-tailored policy.  That doesn't make the public-health interest go away.  The political arms still have a responsibility to impose a reasonable duty of care on their citizens.  And as due process cannot here distinguish between the sick and the well, the ability to finely tailor a policy -- as desirous as that would be -- is denied the decision-maker.  The decision is then to apply it equally to all.  This doesn't do a whole lot to address rampant individualism, but you can't reason your way around an inherently unreasonable position.

But.

While some of the protesters are motivated solely by their misreading of Milligan, many more are simply more conspiratorial than the more obedient and trusting crowd.  Fed by a steady stream of propaganda from Fox News and others, they simply don't believe COVID-19 is as grave a threat as is being reported.  It's just the flu, they say.  Or they argue that the balance of equities should weigh more heavily toward commerce.  It's not so much that they deny the balance of equities as the governing rule as it is they say it's a pretext for eroding civil liberties because the power-grabbers are overstating one side of the equation.

Following the USA PATRIOT Act and similar legislation, and revelations of previously unknown actions of government, the American public has become highly sensitized toward questions of government overreach, especially accompanying declarations of threats to our safety.  So, for example, efforts to mitigate the pandemic by means of electronic contact tracing can be easily reconstrued as efforts to expand routine surveillance of every citizen.  If only all conspiracy theories could be as easily dispelled as some of the classic genres we have discussed here.  Our safety in situations that arise only every hundred years or so, like a global, deadly pandemic, requires trust in leadership.  I fear that trust has been squandered by nearly all American leaders in the pursuit of petty partisan or special interests.  And it has been tolerated by the electorate for far too long.
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« Reply #1003 on: May 03, 2020, 11:43:27 AM »
It makes me very angry that I have no doubt that a lot of these protestors fully supported the PATRIOT Act and still would today, because it only impedes others' civic liberties in their opinion.  I opposed it then and continue to do so today, but I also have enough awareness of history to know what the US would look like right now if we hadn't taken these steps.
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« Reply #1004 on: May 03, 2020, 01:46:59 PM »
...because it only impedes others' civic liberties in their opinion.

Right.  Extensive surveillance is only used to go after terrorists.  Oh, and child molesters -- they're bad people too.  See, you lowered the bar ever so slightly, and no one cared.  Then with that precedent in place, each successive administration or legislature applies incremental amendments according to their proclivities.  Xenophobes can routinely track border crossings and routinely surveil border towns because they're only looking for "drug runners" and "rapists."  Those are bad people too, so it's only a small step from terrorists to that.  Then the left can apply the same logic and track different groups of people because they're "illegally smuggling guns."

How does that get past the Fourth Amendment?  In the cases such as those revealed by Edward Snowden, it relies on information already ruled non-private via the so-called Third-Party Doctrine.  That is, information that is not inherently private, but which is revealed to a third party as part of doing business with them, is considered voluntarily disclosed.  If I send a letter to my mother, the fact that this happened, and the identity and location of the addressee, do not require a search warrant under the Fourth Amendment because I have voluntarily disclosed that information to a third party, namely a public or private courier.  The content of the letter remains private, I am "secure in my papers," as the Fourth Amendment details.

Smith v Maryland extended this to phone calls.  Phone companies did not routinely record what numbers were dialed from which other numbers.  The technology allowed that to happen, but it was difficult to do universally.  The Supreme Court ruled that if the executive wanted to obtain a register of what numbers were dialed from a particular phone, it did not need a warrant to do so.  All of this is so-called "metadata."

Nowadays, every American generates an astonishing amount of metadata, none of it with a reasonable expectation of privacy.  Nowadays it is possible to routinely harvest all or most of it.  Nowadays it is possible to mine the data in ways the Framers or even the Court in Smith could not possibly have envisioned.

Premises:  Tom receives a brief phone call from a number publicly listed as a doctor. A minute after hanging up, he phones a private number publicly listed as an older woman with the same last name as he.  Five minutes later he logs into a web portal operated by his healthcare insurance.  Then he sends an email to hartford.com, a company well known to provide life insurance.
Conclusion:  Tom has been diagnosed with a possibly terminal illness.

All that comes from metadata.  And with data-mining and information-science techniques, all of that can be automatically inferred for a large number of people.

Now in order to protect the Fourth Amendment rights, the laws that allow the gathering and analysis of such information for defense purposes is automatically inadmissible in a court.  But the principle of parallel construction applies.  This has been used by prosecutors for many decades.  While the information gathered for one purpose cannot be admitted as evidence, it can be used by prosecutors to focus their limited attention and resources on people of interest, and thereby acquire evidence for probable cause using methods the Fourth Amendment allows.  The defense can attack only evidence that is presented in court, not third-party evidence a prosecutor may have used to make its efforts more efficient.

The 2019 session of the Supreme Court contained a revealing case.  It is now relatively easy and inexpensive for police departments to install cameras that record the license plate numbers of every car that passes through its field of view.  Thus, police can routinely track the movement of any car through the city.

It gets worse.  If a police department has a real-time connection to any of its databases, or any public database, that indexes its information by license plate number, a fair amount of metadata analysis in real time.  In this case, a truck passed by a random police checkpoint.  A real-time metadata analysis identified the the driver to which the truck was registered as an individual whose license to drive was suspended.  The officer, without first identifying the driver of the vehicle, then inferred that the vehicle was being driven illegally and initiated a traffic stop.  (For you non-Americans, vehicles cannot be routinely stopped in the U.S. unless an officer has probable cause that the driver is breaking, or has broken, a law.). Only then did the officer ascertain the driver's identity.  Had the driver not been the registered owner, under prevailing law, the stop would have been unlawful.  The fruits of any subsequent search of the vehicle would have been inadmissible under the Fourth Amendment.

Thankfully, the Court ruled 8-1 that the officer violated the driver's Fourth Amendment rights and vacated his convincing for driving under a suspended license.  This case reveals the degree of surveillance and real-time processing that is possible, and the fact that it only comes to light in isolated cases.  Here in Utah, an extensive and little-revealed surveillance system called Banjo has just come under review and is presently discontinued because the owner of the very secretive company from which the technology was sole-sourced was discovered to have a checkered and problematic political past.

But these things are only used to catch bad guys, right?

So much has slipped through the cracks largely because the Framers didn't consider it possible to surveil the public activities of people to the degree we can now demonstrate possible.  It requires cases like Glover v Kansas (supra) to bring to light exactly what government is actually doing, and how easy it is to dragnet people committing minor offenses, or merely doing things that only seem suspicious according to their metadata.

For years the executive has asked people to trust that the information they collect will not be used for nefarious political purposes.  But insofar as review of FISA courts and their respective warrants has been possible, it has shown unauthorized searches and improper issuance of warrants.  This is what makes dismissing Pres. Trump's accusations of political machinations so hard to dismiss.  The courts, under both parties' administration, has misbehaved.  And so the whole notion of the police operating unsupervised, and courts making decisions that are unreviewable and unappealable, is inimical to American values.  But we only go after bad guys, right?

Here in Utah we have an odious law that allows prosecutors to issue "administrative subpoenas."  These are requests for private or privileged information that would ordinarily require a judge's order, here issued only upon the authority of the Attorney-General.  In other words, they blatantly violate the Fourth Amendment.  I've seen one of these "subpoenas."  They look very intimidating, threatening the receiver with prosecution under the relevant state law for failing to obey.  They bear official-looking seals and signatures.  The very few recipients who don't comply are never prosecuted.  Because a law that's never tested in court cannot be overturned.  But the vast majority of people who receive them turn over the information, because the effect of the law is to subject a third party to criminal prosecution for and act that previously didn't incur liability -- claiming privilege.

President Obama had no problem using the expanded executive he inherited from his predecessor to issue Executive Orders and circumvent a hostile and obstructionist Congress.  These orders were in turn challenged in court and upheld.  So now Obama's rivals are packing the judiciary to make sure that never happens again.  The executive is now effectively shielded both from the legislature and from the judiciary.  And with efforts toward voter suppression showing more promise, the GOP may more frequently obtain the White House, which, under Trump, is growing closer to becoming an effective monarchy.
"Facts are stubborn things." --John Adams