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Offline Luke Pemberton

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SCE to AUX
« on: January 21, 2025, 05:14:52 PM »
Just watched a great video about SCE to AUX. The presenter recognises the brilliance of John Aaron, but stated it is likely that the problem would have been resolved despite his call.

Smartcooky: I am not taking anything away from John Aaron. He is most definitely a baked sweet dough with an incredible IQ.
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Offline bknight

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Re: SCE to AUX
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2025, 10:19:29 PM »
Didn't John recognize the data from one or more of the constant training exercises?
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Re: SCE to AUX
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2025, 11:36:36 PM »
Just watched a great video about SCE to AUX. The presenter recognises the brilliance of John Aaron, but stated it is likely that the problem would have been resolved despite his call.

Smartcooky: I am not taking anything away from John Aaron. He is most definitely a baked sweet dough with an incredible IQ.

They didn't call him "The Engineer's Engineer" for no reason.

I have always considered that it wasn't the just the fact that he understood what happened when others in Mission Control didn't know what to make of the data (and neither did the astronauts), but it was the speed, under the pressure of a very short time constraint, with which he figured out what was happening, and why, concluded what needed to be done, and confidently gave his opinion.
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Re: SCE to AUX
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2025, 04:14:53 PM »
Didn't John recognize the data from one or more of the constant training exercises?
I believe yes, from one of the training sims they did.

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Re: SCE to AUX
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2025, 10:45:15 AM »
Just watched a great video about SCE to AUX.

Is it available online? I would like to watch it.

I believe yes, from one of the training sims they did.

This rings true to a lot of technical people. When equipment goes wonky, it often goes wonky in familiar, predictable ways. For example, in one of our test systems we have two redundant sensors whose values are combined in a hacky way that we really want to re-engineer Real Soon Now. Anyway, due to temperature fluctuations, the cycle time for these sensors will sometimes drift slightly out of phase, and this fools our logic in a way that produces values our operators recognize as a particular pattern of recorded values. When people say that spaceships and other things develop personalities or souls, this is usually what they mean.

Anyway, "SCE to AUX" is kind of a running joke around the lab, so the video in question is probably something that a lot of people I know would want to see.
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Offline Luke Pemberton

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Re: SCE to AUX
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2025, 11:20:07 AM »
The video is by Scott Manley who I felt communicated it well to a relative Apollo numpty like me. I am assuming his explanation is accurate.



My original question is based on Scott's discussion @11:56. But as Smartcooky explains, John Aaron solved the problem quickly, and that was the incredible part of the story.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2025, 12:23:08 PM by Luke Pemberton »
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein.

I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people – Sir Isaac Newton.

A polar orbit would also bypass the SAA - Tim Finch

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Re: SCE to AUX
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2025, 05:17:03 PM »
Scott does a lot of good stuff concerning space.
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