I have just come back from my job.
Same here. I design, analyze, build, and operate spacecraft and space and ground systems for a living. How about you?
That picture that you posted is beautiful and it really looks like whatever it's supposed to be. A satellite?
But the two pictures I posted of the lunar module are absolutely different.
Well, you posted pictures of both the Lunar Module and the Command/Service Module. They are
two different spacecraft, and thus one might well expect them to look, you know, different. But you've also posted - well, plagiarized - an illustration showing an inability to recognize that a ladder will look different when viewed from the side, so...
One looks like a proper module and the other one is shabby and has Scotch tape all over the place. You have not proven anything to me.
No. We've proven that one uses various standard aerospace materials -
not Scotch tape - as part of its exterior thermal insulation. We provided detailed references and shown examples from other spacecraft. Some of us have cited direct personal experience with said materials. I have
personally applied Kapton adhesive to spacecraft;
it is not Scotch tape. I don't understand why you cannot or will not grasp such well-documented facts, but the
proof you have been provided would stand up in any engineering review board. Or a Congressional review panel, or a court of law.
It's proof, alright, even if you pretend it hasn't been provided to you.
You, on the other hand, have proven that you can't tell the difference between the spacecraft that landed men on the Moon, and the spacecraft that returned them to Earth; the latter designed to operate in a pure vacuum environment, the former designed to reenter Earth's atmosphere at many thousands of miles per hour. Not even the famously incompetent Jack White made
that mistake. What does that tell you?
Anyway I want to tell something to all of you.
I’m not some kind of hoax fanatic, and I’m willing to accept defeat if proven wrong, so I have decided to do a proper investigation into everything to do with the Apollo missions to the moon.
I'm glad you've decided to start learning about Apollo. We've provided you a number of references, and are willing to help you with any questions. But it's not a question of "defeat" (or "victory") for that matter. This isn't a political debate. We're here to teach and to learn.
I might also point out that
everything to do with the Apollo missions to the Moon is a very,
very tall order indeed. The Apollo record is much broader and deeper than you imagine. It's not just a few dozen photographs and a couple of hours of video. It's tens of thousands of still images, hundreds of hours of motion imagery, thousands of tons of flight, ground, and test hardware, tens of thousands of pages of design studies, status reports, Congressional panel publications, engineering analyses, test reports, operations manuals, engineering drawings of all sizes, experience reports, and countless scientific papers. It's the personal testimony of some of the four hundred thousand people, civil servants and contractors alike, who designed, built, tested, flew, and studied Apollo. It's the engineering, scientific, and programmatic lessons incorporated into standard aerospace practice and planetary science today. It's thirty gigabits of telemetry from nuclear-powered robotic laboratories deployed by the Apollo crews that operated up to eight years on the Moon. It's been public record from the start, but a staggering amount of the documentation has been digitized and placed on the NASA Technical Reports Server and other sites; there is more information freely downloadable than you would ever be able to read, in incredible detail. And there's more on paper at contractors and collectors and government archives that's not on the Internet.
So you'll never investigate
everything to do with Apollo. But you
can get a good general overview, and start in one or a few key areas in more detail. If you'd like suggestions, we'll provide them.
I will be using some of Jack White’s findings but I will look into them carefully and taking into account the laws of physics, unchangeable wherever you are in this reality, even on the moon.
That's terrific; my undergraduate degree was in space physics. Physics is why the LM's thermal and micrometeoroid layers (the wrinkly ones
over the aluminum hull) look the way they do, not sleek and Hollywood-ish.
But using Jack White's findings is a pretty poor way to start; as stated, he was a very poor observer and quite ignorant of the Apollo record, plus he tended to deliberately distort his presentations to create "anomalies". Why don't you go to reputable sources first?
I will be not coming back to the forum, until I have everything I have collected in another internet page, .
OK, but what will you collect? So far, all you've done is plagiarize and echo the work of one seriously clueless crank. Willl you look at actual documentation of the missions? Will you talk to actual experts? Or will you just make the rounds of other conspiracist sites?
and as I said before, I’m willing to change my mind if proven wrong
Frankly, it's hard to believe you when you say this. For example:
You have not proven anything to me yet, even if you posted that beautiful picture of the satellite but that proves nothing.
You say you are willing to change your mind, but you keep on repeating idiot cliches like "Scotch tape and cardboard" when abosolutely explict information to the contrary is handed to you on a silver platter by genuine experts. In fact, you act as if it never happened. So it's hard to take your protestations of open-mindedness seriously with your track record. But I
am willing to be pleasantly surprised.
As I said before, I won't be coming back until I have researched the Apollo missions properlly, so don't keep on saying why I'm not back.
It could take a few weeks or months, because I'm busy during the day with my family and my job.
So bye for the moment
We have our families and jobs too, but again, I think I speak for the forum regulars that we'll gladly help you if you decide you wish to learn about Apollo in particular and space flight in general.
