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Offline gwiz

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #150 on: January 10, 2013, 07:22:13 AM »
So do not try to convince me that that thing landed on the moon.
As you obviously are not reading our posts, how could we convince you?

Lots of other satellites, the ones that bring you your TV and GPS signals among them, have LM-like thermal blankets. 

It should be obvious to anyone that the LM has a structure under the blankets, otherwise it would collapse.
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Offline Eternidad195

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #151 on: January 10, 2013, 07:53:10 AM »
It looks like one of those things my children make in the school but my kids would make it much better.  It is obvious where the Scotch tape has been added and it is obvious that is a blue paper.
It is golden Scotch tape and blue paper and it seems to have been stiched in some places.
Those metal rods are kept in place by the tape.
I can even ask my kids to do something like this and post the results on facebook

Offline gwiz

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #152 on: January 10, 2013, 07:59:37 AM »
It is golden Scotch tape and blue paper and it seems to have been stiched in some places.
...and the reason other satellites have the same look is that satellite TV and GPS are also faked?
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Offline Jason Thompson

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #153 on: January 10, 2013, 08:06:37 AM »
It is obvious where the Scotch tape has been added and it is obvious that is a blue paper.

Ah 'it's obvious'. The standard cry of a hoax believer who actually has no evidence at all.

You don't read anything we say, do you? You are determined to cling on to your belief that it was all fake, so all our responses just blur into white noise.

I will ask again, why should the outer thermal protection layer not be made of taped foil and thin sheets of metal? Why is this an unacceptable way to construct the outer skin of a spacecraft? Have you seen any of the pictures of the LM being constructed, that show the actual metal structure underneath, with its support beams and sheet metal?
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Offline Andromeda

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #154 on: January 10, 2013, 08:10:02 AM »
It looks like one of those things my children make in the school but my kids would make it much better.  It is obvious where the Scotch tape has been added and it is obvious that is a blue paper.
It is golden Scotch tape and blue paper and it seems to have been stiched in some places.
Those metal rods are kept in place by the tape.
I can even ask my kids to do something like this and post the results on facebook

"It looks like, so it is" - sorry, that's no evidence.

Then you go on to implicit insult.  Niiiiiice.
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Offline Eternidad195

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #155 on: January 10, 2013, 08:20:17 AM »
I am reading about multi layer insulation in wikipedia and it says :
More layers can be added to reduce the loss further. The blanket can be further improved by making the outside surfaces highly reflective to thermal radiation,
That blue paper does not seem to be highly reflective.  It just looks like paper and not reflective at all.

And that picture of the satellite with a golden surface, that is a highly reflective surface and not like the one of the lander, which is a non reflective blue paper.

Not very good for reflecting thermal radiation

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Offline Andromeda

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #156 on: January 10, 2013, 08:26:03 AM »
You don't see the reflective material in that picture?!

Besides, why would you think the whole LM needs to be reflective?
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Offline Echnaton

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #157 on: January 10, 2013, 08:27:23 AM »
It is obvious where the Scotch tape has been added and it is obvious that is a blue paper.

Obvious to whom?  Obvious because Jack White says so?  That doesn't start to work as an appeal to authority because White new practicably nothing about photo analysis and new even less about space craft design.  Do you have any other source?
The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. —Samuel Beckett

Offline Echnaton

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #158 on: January 10, 2013, 08:32:11 AM »
That blue paper does not seem to be highly reflective.  It just looks like paper and not reflective at all.

What "blue paper" are you talking about?
The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. —Samuel Beckett

Offline Eternidad195

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #159 on: January 10, 2013, 08:34:16 AM »
Most of the surface of the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is highly reflective and does not look like something made up in your garage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter_fully_assembled.jpg

In fact I do not believe that the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is a scam.
I believe is real and is up there in space
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Offline Andromeda

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #160 on: January 10, 2013, 08:36:29 AM »
The MRO is a very different craft, built to function in a different place, for a different purpose, and unmanned.

You keep saying things do or do not "look like" other things.  That doesn't mean anything.  Have you considered that perhaps your expectations, as someone who does not build spacecraft, might be in error?
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Offline Eternidad195

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #161 on: January 10, 2013, 08:41:27 AM »
It looks shabbily made, like some of the things my children make for their school homework.

Here is another picture of the module

http://strangeapollo2.blogspot.co.uk/

In one picture it looks fine, but it the other picture looks strange

I'll be back later.  I have to feed my family
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Offline Andromeda

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #162 on: January 10, 2013, 08:53:52 AM »
It looks shabbily made, like some of the things my children make for their school homework.

Here is another picture of the module

http://strangeapollo2.blogspot.co.uk/

In one picture it looks fine, but it the other picture looks strange

I'll be back later.  I have to feed my family

Define "strange".
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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #163 on: January 10, 2013, 08:56:23 AM »
It looks shabbily made, like some of the things my children make for their school homework.

Here is another picture of the module

http://strangeapollo2.blogspot.co.uk/

In one picture it looks fine, but it the other picture looks strange
That's because one of the pics is a highly enlarged portion of a lot larger image taken from some distance.

Offline Mag40

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #164 on: January 10, 2013, 08:59:26 AM »
It looks shabbily made, like some of the things my children make for their school homework.

Here is another picture of the module

http://strangeapollo2.blogspot.co.uk/

In one picture it looks fine, but it the other picture looks strange

I'll be back later.  I have to feed my family


Read the replies!

Here is the Lunar Module without its exterior heat and micro meteorite shielding -
http://www.nordenretireesclub.org/level2/album_images/images/museum_2011/Grumman%20LTA-1,%201st%20functional%20Lunar%20Module.jpg

Answer the simple question from Jason Thompson -

" If they were faking it, why did their LM not look more like you would expect a spaceship to look like? Why publish pictures like this at all?"