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Offline gillianren

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2013, 12:48:01 PM »
Congratulations to all of you who lasted more than a second on that page!  I couldn't.
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NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #46 on: January 03, 2013, 12:51:53 PM »
Black text on light backgrounds and white text on dark backgrounds is simple, elegant, and effective.

Oh, yeah, and your claims have been refuted elsewhere long ago.

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #47 on: January 03, 2013, 12:55:32 PM »
It was the background music that got me to close the browser. It's almost like he's doing everything he can to discourage people from reading his website.
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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2013, 12:58:59 PM »
It was the background music that got me to close the browser. It's almost like he's doing everything he can to discourage people from reading his website.

I am so glad it didn't play for me!
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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2013, 01:03:52 PM »
If you have Firefox, "View -> Page Style -> No Style" seems to work wonders. :) Also, (temporarily) disabling the Flash plug-in should get rid of the music (I didn't realize it had any music).

Anyway, calling this a blog is an overstatement. It has a total of two posts. The more recent one is a poem attributed to "Neal" Armstrong. The other one consists of several hunks of text and pictures, copied from several websites, including a Wikipedia article (on radiation belts) and one of Jack White's "photographic analyses" from Aulis.

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2013, 09:08:12 PM »
If you have Firefox, "View -> Page Style -> No Style" seems to work wonders. :) Also, (temporarily) disabling the Flash plug-in should get rid of the music (I didn't realize it had any music).

Anyway, calling this a blog is an overstatement. It has a total of two posts. The more recent one is a poem attributed to "Neal" Armstrong. The other one consists of several hunks of text and pictures, copied from several websites, including a Wikipedia article (on radiation belts) and one of Jack White's "photographic analyses" from Aulis.

I got as far as the claim that an astronaut with a longer shadow must be farther away from the arc light illuminating them both yet that astronaut is on the side of the light source (closer).  It is like the author didn't look at his own claim.  Before that was crosshair nonsense and the "C" rock.
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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #51 on: January 04, 2013, 06:37:14 AM »
http://apolloconspiracy.blogspot.co.uk/

From your blog:
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The Spacecast 2020 Technical Report puts the space weather radiation hazard to human life in perspective:
"...at geostationary orbit, with only 0.1 gm/cm2 of aluminum shielding thickness, the predicted radiation dose (REM) for one year continuous exposure, with minimum-moderate solar activity, is estimated to be about 3,000,000..."

From the linked source in the above quote:
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at geostationary orbit, with only 0.1 gm/cm2 of aluminum shielding thickness, the predicted radiation dose (REM) for one year continuous exposure, with minimum-moderate solar activity, is estimated to be about 3,000,000; using 5.0 gm/cm2 of aluminum shielding, the REM for one year continuous exposure would be reduced to about 550.
(Bolding mine.  Remember that this is for an annual dose, from a site within the Van Allen Belts that the Apollo missions specifically avoided.  Also, the Apollo Spacecraft radiation shielding was on the order of 7-8 gm/cm2 - half-again thicker than the shielding in the bolded quote)

That's funny, Eternidad; Your quote cuts-off just before the passage that totally guts your radiation argument.  Does that strike anyone as dishonest?

Mind you, he didn't have to edit it that way.  Further down the page he quotes the Wiki article on the VAB, saying
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A satellite shielded by 3 mm of aluminium in an elliptic orbit (200 by 20,000 miles) passing through the radiation belts will receive about 2,500 rem (25 Sv) per year. Almost all radiation will be received while passing the inner belt.
2,500 rem per year equates to less than 0.3 rem per hour.  Remember that the Apollo missions avoided the most intense areas of the inner belt, and was completely past them in less than an hour.

Thus, Eternidad's quote-mining provides solid evidence that the radiation threat was adequately assessed and mitigated by the Apollo spacecraft design & mission plan.

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #52 on: January 04, 2013, 06:39:16 AM »
Nicely done, Count Zero!
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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #53 on: January 04, 2013, 11:05:05 AM »
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A satellite shielded by 3 mm of aluminium in an elliptic orbit (200 by 20,000 miles) passing through the radiation belts will receive about 2,500 rem (25 Sv) per year. Almost all radiation will be received while passing the inner belt.

A couple of years ago a HB used that quote in a comment on the LRO Apollo landing site page but he removed "per year." so it looked like this:
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A satellite shielded by 3 mm of aluminium in an elliptic orbit (200 by 20,000 miles) passing through the radiation belts will receive about 2,500 rem (25 Sv) Almost all radiation will be received while passing the inner belt.

He didn't even bother fixing the capitalization and punctuation to hide the obvious cut! I immediately recognized the origin of the quote so I called him out on it.

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #54 on: January 04, 2013, 01:02:44 PM »
Isn't it funny that the hoax believers have to lie in order to make it look like NASA is lying? I think we all know who the real frauds are.
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth.
I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth.
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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #55 on: January 04, 2013, 01:22:50 PM »
I don't know why you all attack him.  Why don't you examine the Apollo's pictures.
I have a blog about the Apollo's photographs

http://apolloconspiracy.blogspot.co.uk/

And I am not going away

Oh noes! He's got a website and he's not going away. Your website is awful, by the way.

You're funny, and I like you. I look forwards to hearing more from you.

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #56 on: January 04, 2013, 01:31:58 PM »
Also, where has he gone?
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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #57 on: January 04, 2013, 02:11:30 PM »
Away.
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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #58 on: January 04, 2013, 02:24:32 PM »
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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #59 on: January 04, 2013, 02:27:24 PM »
She, I believe.

If so, I stand corrected.  It just strikes me that, as rare as you and I are in being female defenders, female hoax believers are even more rare still.  Or at least, the ones who care enough to hang about online and try to convince people.
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