NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam

[dwight]

Heh and all along I thought it was just me and my arrow. And isn't it actually "My mother and I" given that HBs relentlessly claim to be of higher intelligence than the rest of us?

[Daggerstab]

No comments by Eternidad yet?

[ka9q]

Foil covering is a very common feature of satellites

It's not actually foil. Although there is a lot of gold in most spacecraft, most of it's hidden inside because gold gets very hot in sunlight.

What looks like a lot of gold foil on the outside of spacecraft actually isn't gold at all. It's Kapton, an orange-colored plastic very popular in aerospace because it can tolerate extreme temperatures. It's usually rear coated with an extremely thin layer of aluminum, which you see through the Kapton, and the apparent color ranges from light yellow to dark amber depending on the thickness of the Kapton.

This material is often used in multiple layers as a thermal "blanket" to isolate the spacecraft surface from the outside. It's in a vacuum so there is no convection or conduction, only radiation. The aluminum surfaces reflect and stop radiation just like the walls of a thermos bottle.

[gwiz]

Foil covering is a very common feature of satellites

It's not actually foil.

I know that, but the word is commonly used to describe aluminised mylar or Kapton films.  I was just making the point that the "foil" that HBs say the LM is made of is actually a pretty common surface material for satellites.

[gillianren]

And isn't it actually "My mother and I" given that HBs relentlessly claim to be of higher intelligence than the rest of us?

It ought to be, yes.

[nomuse]

Heh and all along I thought it was just me and my arrow. And isn't it actually "My mother and I" given that HBs relentlessly claim to be of higher intelligence than the rest of us?

Exception being when they want to show off their mystic powers of Sock-a-mancy.

[Laurel]

No comments by Eternidad yet?

Maybe she "couldn't find the forum" again. Don't people know what the bookmark feature on a browser does?

[nomuse]

I've noticed that's a common thread among conspiracy believers.  That threads become "selectively visible" or drop off the map for a while completely.  IDW used to go into regular screaming fits claiming the mods at Godlike were hiding his threads.  The idea that, just maybe, not enough people were interested enough to keep it on the top page...

The more technically-minded hoax believers take it a step further; when they can't seem to find the thread they were just posting on, they accuse other posters, forum administrators, and secret operatives working out of Langley of deliberately infecting their computer with a virus which prevents them from being able to post "Was so!" yet another time on a thread they are already losing.

[frenat]

Here is my new page

http://apollo22.blogspot.co.uk/

Oh, for heaven's sake, Eternidad195.  First of all, that mammoth page is almost unreadable with all the junk you've loaded it up with. 

Second, it's just a bunch of stuff - as far as I bothered reading - copied from the late, famously incompetent Jack White, who literally could not tell which side of the Lunar Module he was looking at.

Third, it's ridiculous.  The very first bit is about how the latter, etc. look wider in one picture than another.  They are taken from different angles and thus one expects the same object to appear different. 

Fourth, didn't I advise you to read Clavius and look some of these claims up before posting?  Like the idiotic bits about "cardboard" and "scotch tape"?  Jack White had no idea what he was looking at; that's not the structure of the LM, that's part of the thermal and micrometeoroid shield.   You just copied his stuff without bothering to see how it's already been debunked many times over.

You didn't put any thought into this at all, apparently.  You're just regurgitating the same drivel from the same clueless ignoramuses that have been shredded a hundred times before.  And you want people to wade through all that again, this time on your cluttered web site?

jack White has passed but his crap lives on. 

[Eternidad195]

This picture of the lunar lander by NASA is made up of paper, and cardboard, stuck up with Scotch tape.
The question is: Why do they have this picture of the lander, if it is a faked one?
I did get permission to publish Mr. White’s pictures

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5922HR.jpg

If they publish a faked lander as the real one, how many more things are they faking?

Having a lunar lander made up of cardboard and Scotch tape is not an idiotic thing, is a funny thing.  Can you drive a car made up of cardboard and stuck together with Scotch paper?
The answer is no.

So do not try to convince me that that thing landed on the moon.

[ka9q]

This picture of the lunar lander by NASA is made up of paper, and cardboard, stuck up with Scotch tape.

What makes you think it's paper, cardboard and Scotch tape, when it's not?

Do you know anything about spacecraft construction? Have you ever seen a picture of a spacecraft being prepared for launch, covered in exactly the same kinds of materials?

That is indeed a picture of a real LM on the real moon.

[Andromeda]

I assume you have similar thoughts about this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Viking_Satellite_Thermal_Blankets.jpg

and this:
http://claudelafleur.qc.ca/images/Insat4Ab.jpg

[gwiz]

I assume you have similar thoughts about this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Viking_Satellite_Thermal_Blankets.jpg

and this:
http://claudelafleur.qc.ca/images/Insat4Ab.jpg

...and the images I posted earlier:
http://www.hispasat.com/media/Prensa/Galeria_fotos/1C/Hispasat_1C_shaker.jpg
http://www.weirdwarp.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Satellite-Construction.jpg
http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4312/p157.jpg

[Jason Thompson]

This picture of the lunar lander by NASA is made up of paper, and cardboard, stuck up with Scotch tape.

Provide evidence that those are in fact the materials used. 'Because it looks like it' is not evidence.

The question is: Why do they have this picture of the lander, if it is a faked one?

That's a very good question, and one I have never had answered satisfactorily by any hoax believer. If they were faking it, why did their LM not look more like you would expect a spaceship to look like? Why publish pictures like this at all?

Could it just be that that is actually how it really looked, and that in fact it worked?

I assume you are ignorant of the fact that the outer layer of the LM you see in the pictures is nothing more than a thin thermal control and micrometeoroid protection layer. It had no structural role whatsoever, and since it would not be subjected to aerodynamic forces, a strong industrial kapton tape (NOT commercially available scotch tape) was the lightest and best way to attach those thin sheets of aluminium to the frame.

I did get permission to publish Mr. White’s pictures

Then it would only be polite to acknowledge the source on your website. Presenting other people's material without attribution is plagiarism.

If they publish a faked lander as the real one, how many more things are they faking?

Begging the question. You have yet to prove that it is in fact a fake lander.

Having a lunar lander made up of Scotch tape is not an idiotic thing, is a funny thing.  Can you drive a car made up of cardboard and stuck together with Scotch paper?

Irrelevant comparison, since the LM did not use those materials and a car is a whole different engineering challenge to a spacecraft. However, I have seen people sail a boat made of duct tape, stick a car back together with it, make a bridge out of it, lift a car with it....

So do not try to convince me that that thing landed on the moon.

Not our burden of proof. It is your job to convince us that it could not land on the Moon. Just looking at it and noting that it does not meet your expectations for the design of a spacecraft is not any kind of proof, since you have not adequately justified your expectations of what it should look like in the first place.

[frenat]

This picture of the lunar lander by NASA is made up of paper, and cardboard, stuck up with Scotch tape.
The question is: Why do they have this picture of the lander, if it is a faked one?
I did get permission to publish Mr. White’s pictures

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5922HR.jpg

If they publish a faked lander as the real one, how many more things are they faking?

Having a lunar lander made up of Scotch tape is not an idiotic thing, is a funny thing.  Can you drive a car made up of cardboard and stuck together with Scotch paper?
The answer is no.

So do not try to convince me that that thing landed on the moon.

So you're going with "it looks like it to me so it must be".  None of your "paper" or "Scotch tape" is structural, nor is it what you think it is.  Your argument means nothing.  Can you say WHY you think it couldn't have landed on the Moon?  Can you say WHY you think your ignorant opinion is worth more than the thousands of engineers that have looked at it and see nothing wrong with a craft designed to only ever operate in the vacuum of space?