Apollo 13

[Chew]

Still no answer.

I'd ask you to show us your heat balance calculation for this problem but we all know you don't have a clue how to even begin calculating it.

[JayUtah]

The percentage of hoax believers that are professional-photographers-on-the-internet is truly astonishing.

A lot of these people get duped by Bart Sibrel (who isn't a professional photographer either) or David Percy (who has a professional credential, but doesn't appear to be able to show us any of his work), and think that if they just represent what these guys say, they can pass themselves off as professional photographers or relevant analysts.  They naively think that anyone they encounter on the web won't be any better educated than Sibrel or Percy, and thus they can keep the bluff going long enough to seem knowledgeable.

Most people these days own or have used a camera, so there's a lot of belief out there that all one has to do is to be able to point a DSLR at a subject and one can claim the profession.  So very few of these people actually take the time to learn and be trained in what professional photographers do in order to prepare for their profession, and don't realize how much of it impinges upon the examination and validation of Apollo photography.

And that's not even beginning to note that photographic analysis is a separate field altogether.  I know several excellent professional photographers who wouldn't know how to do, for example, a shadow VPA or even why the math for that works.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

I'm a professional photographer

Do you have a link to a portfolio of your work? I'd be interested to see it.

[ka9q]

I also found it incredible that Bean didn't know he went through the Van Allen Belt. (You all here should have seen by now his embarrassing interview on this subject.)

Yes, we've seen this interview; every hoaxer extensively cites the works of Bart Sibrel, and so far you're following in that pattern exactly.

Bean, like most of the other Apollo astronauts, was a pilot and engineer -- not a space physicist -- and the simple fact is that the Van Allen belts were of little concern to him. The mission planners designed the trajectories to avoid their densest parts and there was nothing for the astronauts themselves to do about them but to read their dosimeters to Capcom every day. On the later missions they investigated the light flash phenomenon, though they were probably caused by cosmic ray particles, not the lower energy charged particles trapped in the Van Allen belts. That was it.

The Apollo astronauts were generalists who were busy enough learning what they actually needed to do their missions. They couldn't possibly be experts on everything. That's why NASA had all sorts of specialists on the ground to back them up. That included space physicists and doctors to determine if the astronauts were in danger from a solar event and advise whether a mission should be postponed or aborted.

By the way, Bean flew in space twice: first as LMP on Apollo 12 to the moon, and then as CDR on Skylab 3 in earth orbit. He actually got more radiation from his Skylab flight than from Apollo 12.

[raven]

The light flash discovery is interesting as they were first discovered on Apollo missions. While later missions intentionally went out looking for them found too, if Apollo was fake, how were they found in the first place?

[allancw]

I thought i told you fellows my name so you could check my cv via amazon: allan weisbecker. Book author, screenwriter (check IMDB), including helping create Miami Vice, and professional photographer: I've done covers for mags like Men's Journal and a 13 page spread for Smithsonian. Is that enough? You all protest too much, me thinks. If you all are NOT shills (as an investigative journalist I have to assume that possibility), you'll check my credentials and ease up with your insults. Nothing I've said is personal. Your personal attacks don't do much for your credibility.

And some of your answers show that YOU are not critical thinkers: In the BBC interview with Armstrong, the whole question and answer equaled Armstrong saying that he could not see stars from cislunar space.  Period. If you're going to equivocate and claim otherwise, then why should anyone believe anything you say?

Anyway, before you further insult my character, maybe read the 350 plus reader reviews for my books on Amazon, which average 4.7 stars. Try to find another author with that many reviews and that average. Let me know when you find one.

[Andromeda]

It doesn't matter who you are, what matters is the evidence for your claims.  You may or may not take professional photographs, but you have shown yourself unable to analyse them.

Clearly you haven't seen the Neil Armstrong interview in its entirety (nor its context), that claim has been discussed here many times before.  Your statement, "the whole question and answer equaled Armstrong saying that he could not see stars from cislunar space.  Period." is demonstrably false.

Also, you're not the only author here.  Unless your books deal with the subject matter that this forum is based upon, your books are irrelevant and so are the number of reviews you have received.  I suggest you look up the argumentum ad populum fallacy.

[allancw]

By the way, that Bean was unfamiliar with the Van Allen belt IS incredible, whether he could 'feel' it (the radiation) or not. That I get insulted for pointing that out also goes to motives here. Speaking of which, since you seem to believe that they somehow 'avoided' the belts, possibly you could come up with a contemporaneous account of how they planned the launch to avoid the worst of the radiation. That would go a long way to shutting me up about the matter.

[allancw]

So you're telling me that I lie about myself and now it doesn't matter anyhow. What's wrong with you?

[allancw]

Please point out where I can see the BBC interview in its entirety or link me to a page here that covers that. I'd really like to clear this one up.

[Halcyon Dayz, FCD]

I thought i told you fellows my name so you could check my cv [..]

Since you started by lying why should we believe  ANY claim you make?

via amazon: allan weisbecker. Book author, screenwriter (check IMDB), including helping create Miami Vice, and professional photographer: I've done covers for mags like Men's Journal and a 13 page spread for Smithsonian. Is that enough? You all protest too much, me thinks. If you all are NOT shills (as an investigative journalist I have to assume that possibility), you'll check my credentials and ease up with your insults. Nothing I've said is personal. Your personal attacks don't do much for your credibility.

Historical truth is determined by evaluating the evidence, NOT by the assertions of who ever has the longer bragsheet.

And some of your answers show that YOU are not critical thinkers: In the BBC interview with Armstrong, the whole question and answer equaled Armstrong saying that he could not see stars from cislunar space.  Period.

Why does that matter? He does not say it is impossible.
Collins said he could. I.E. he looked out the window when conditions for seeing stars were better.

Anyway, before you further insult my character, maybe read the 350 plus reader reviews for my books on Amazon, which average 4.7 stars. Try to find another author with that many reviews and that average. Let me know when you find one.

What do your reviews have to do with your character?

BTW, how many of those did your friends write?

So you're telling me that I lie about myself and now it doesn't matter anyhow.

You lying tells us you are a liar.
What you lied about, i.e. you being a pro-photographer, isn't actually relevant to the subject matter..

What's wrong with you?

You first.
Why do you lie?

[allancw]

Let's stick to the stars-seeing subject. Even according to your buddy Phil Plait, 'If you were standing on the moon you would indeed see stars, even in the day.'

Do you want the link to that page of Discover?

'We were not able to see stars from the moon's surface.' Neil Armstrong (or was it Aldrin? I can look it up.)

If you guys don't have a problem here... well, I know I'm just a 'civilian,' but I do have a problem here. If you're going to say that my quotes are out of context, please refer me to a link wherein I can be enlightened as to what the astronauts actually meant.

[Jason Thompson]

I thought i told you fellows my name so you could check my cv via amazon: allan weisbecker.

Your cv is largely irrelevant, since it covers nothing relevant to the subject at hand. I notice that the one claim you made on the back of your expertise as a photographer you have failed to return to. Do you still maintain that picture is lit from two separate sources?

And some of your answers show that YOU are not critical thinkers: In the BBC interview with Armstrong, the whole question and answer equaled Armstrong saying that he could not see stars from cislunar space.  Period.

Wrong.

Anyway, before you further insult my character, maybe read the 350 plus reader reviews for my books on Amazon, which average 4.7 stars. Try to find another author with that many reviews and that average. Let me know when you find one.

Irrelevant. We're dealing with Apollo, not your status a a well-regarded author/screenwriter/photographer.

[Jason Thompson]

By the way, that Bean was unfamiliar with the Van Allen belt IS incredible, whether he could 'feel' it (the radiation) or not.

Incredible to you, not to anyone familiar with what his job actually was. Hoax believers frequently think the astronauts are experts in all things space related. no, they are experts in flying their craft and doing their job. Some of the technical details just don't matter to them in the execution of their part of the mission.

Speaking of which, since you seem to believe that they somehow 'avoided' the belts,

This is not a belief, it is a well-documented fact. There's a thread on the subject in this very forum. I'll find a link when I have time, or you could do some of your own research...

[allancw]

Hey, Halcyon: liar liar pants on fire!

Ok, I am a liar.

How about referring me to the whole interview? Your babbling didn't distract me from the fact that you didn't respond to the matter of importance (the BBC interview).