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Offline ChrLz

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Did the DailyMail (FAIL) just make this up?
« on: December 26, 2013, 04:37:02 AM »
I note this is being bandied around on other forums, and leaped upon by NASA haters and the last few Apollo deniers:
Daily Mail article/fantasy

It *sounds* as though NASA has been sitting on many images and has suddenly released them - yet no linkbacks, no source...  I think it is just a badly worded beat up - and the numbers don't make sense either way - from Apollo 4-17 there were 19000 images just taken on the Hasselblads...

I can't find any source for this - I think some 'reporter' may have just made it all up (or perhaps suddenly discovered the LPI website...).  Or are there in fact some new images that have been released?  I was pretty sure all of Apollo was on the public record and mostly had been from day one..
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Offline Peter B

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Re: Did the DailyMail (FAIL) just make this up?
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2013, 05:45:15 AM »
Working from the assumption of incompetence before malice, I'll go for a variant of your LPI discovery theory: the reporter watches the Apollo 8 Earthrise photo sim, goes to NASA's website to find out more, stumbles on the LPI gallery and assumes it was somehow related to the release of the Apollo 8 sim. I've previously seen most of the images presented in the DM story, so I find it hard to believe that those I'm not familiar with have somehow been suppressed until now (yes, I know, argument from incredulity...).
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Offline ChrLz

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Re: Did the DailyMail (FAIL) just make this up?
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2013, 06:23:23 AM »
Thanks, Peter.  I've now looked as hard as I can (well, in 30 minutes or so :) ) and found absolutely nothing about any new release other than that Earthrise video - nothing on the LPI site or in their news archives, not a single link anywhere that doesn't lead back to the Daily Fail...


Offline grmcdorman

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Re: Did the DailyMail (FAIL) just make this up?
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2013, 11:28:27 AM »
Ah, esteemed English journalism. Over here in the Colonies, we just have to make do with civic mayors for our quality, um, news.

Offline Glom

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Re: Did the DailyMail (FAIL) just make this up?
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2013, 04:38:08 PM »
I was confused as well and suspected the journalist just didn't know what he was talking about.

Offline Trebor

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Re: Did the DailyMail (FAIL) just make this up?
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2013, 04:40:15 PM »
... the journalist just didn't know what he was talking about.

It's the Daily Mail; That goes without saying.

Offline johnbutcher

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Re: Did the DailyMail (FAIL) just make this up?
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2013, 05:27:55 PM »
Oh! Dear!
The Daily Mail?
I like their crossword!
But for news, you might as well read the Ankh-Morpork Times.


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Offline smartcooky

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Re: Did the DailyMail (FAIL) just make this up?
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2013, 05:29:59 PM »
I agree with the OP.  It very much looks to me like this journalist has just "discovered" the LPI website.


Perhaps someone should sent him a link to the ALSJ. This "newly released" ::) information  would really blow his mind!
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Re: Did the DailyMail (FAIL) just make this up?
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2013, 06:41:14 PM »

Offline Obviousman

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Re: Did the DailyMail (FAIL) just make this up?
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2013, 07:14:29 PM »
I think it is just hi-res on the LPI site; the LPI had all the images but most were low-res scans; the Project Apollo Archive did the majority of hi-res scans that were available; it seems that the LPI has now also done hi-res scans.

Offline smartcooky

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Re: Did the DailyMail (FAIL) just make this up?
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2013, 07:39:25 PM »
Related:

Just wow!!!

Did I hear that guy right? 60ft by 20ft at 72 dpi

By my quick calculation, that is nearly 900 megapixels!!
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Offline ChrLz

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Re: Did the DailyMail (FAIL) just make this up?
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2013, 08:15:35 PM »
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Just wow!!!

Did I hear that guy right? 60ft by 20ft at 72 dpi

By my quick calculation, that is nearly 900 megapixels!!

I haven't looked at the vid (not much bandwidth left, too lazy to recharge today!) but that calculation doesn't sound right - 60ft x 20ft x 72 ppi is only about 12.5Mp (60x12x20x12x72=12,441,600)

Offline smartcooky

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Re: Did the DailyMail (FAIL) just make this up?
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2013, 08:36:30 PM »
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Just wow!!!

Did I hear that guy right? 60ft by 20ft at 72 dpi

By my quick calculation, that is nearly 900 megapixels!!

I haven't looked at the vid (not much bandwidth left, too lazy to recharge today!) but that calculation doesn't sound right - 60ft x 20ft x 72 ppi is only about 12.5Mp (60x12x20x12x72=12,441,600)

No. The calculation for megapixels is the number of pixels along the long side multiplied by the number of pixels along the short side e.g.

a 3000 pixel x 2000 pixel image is 6,000,000 pixels or 6 megapixels (essentially you have 2000 rows of 3000 pixels each)

60 ft by 20 ft image at 72 ppi is

60 x 12 x 72 = 51,840 pixels by 20 x 12 x 72 = 17,280 pixels

51,840 x 17,280 = 895,795,200 pixels, or 896 megapixels.

If you're not a scientist but you think you've destroyed the foundation of a vast scientific edifice with 10 minutes of Googling, you might want to consider the possibility that you're wrong.

Offline ChrLz

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Re: Did the DailyMail (FAIL) just make this up?
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2013, 10:07:59 PM »
No. The calculation for megapixels is the number of pixels along the long side multiplied by the number of pixels along the short side e.g.
You are absolutely correct - I stoopidly left out a x72 in my calculation - should know better than to post just after waking up... :D

Offline smartcooky

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Re: Did the DailyMail (FAIL) just make this up?
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2013, 01:42:09 AM »
No. The calculation for megapixels is the number of pixels along the long side multiplied by the number of pixels along the short side e.g.
You are absolutely correct - I stoopidly left out a x72 in my calculation - should know better than to post just after waking up... :D

Well, just to satisfy my own curiosity, I tried to create an 896 MP image in Photoshop. I can't get these actual dimensions because 30,000 pixels for any dimension is the limit in my PS7, so I went with 29940 x 29940 which works out to around 896 MP.

It creates an uncompressed .TIF file of 2.5 GB. No wonder the only way they could store it it was on tape!!
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