Flu Home Remedies

[LionKing]

Please stop shouting.

who is shouting? the authors that I quote. not me

Also, please note that some people cannot regulate their body temperature properly.

why?

A fever from a cold or flu could end up being damaging or even fatal, but that can be prevented by taking paracetamol.

As we have repeatedly said, there is no method which is absolutely best for everyone for getting over a cold (although many "herbal remedies" have been shown to be ineffective).  I have my preference, based on the knowledge I have of my own body and health, and you have yours.  So be it.

You know, I think we need an expert physician here.. if there are any on the board, please take part in the debate and give us answers for all this

[Jason Thompson]

do you have an article I can red about dangers of sweating? thanks

No, I have my own knowledge. Sweating requires elevating the body temperature, which is risky, and causes loss of fluid, which is also risky. This is why saunas have lists of instructions on their walls advising limiting your exposure and keeping hydrated when using them, for example.

[LionKing]

do you have an article I can red about dangers of sweating? thanks

No, I have my own knowledge. Sweating requires elevating the body temperature, which is risky, and causes loss of fluid, which is also risky. This is why saunas have lists of instructions on their walls advising limiting your exposure and keeping hydrated when using them, for example.

so why is elevating the body temperature risky when you take fluids?

[Andromeda]

Please stop shouting.

who is shouting? the authors that I quote. not me

But you C&P'd their shouts into your post.  Please, don't do it.

Also, please note that some people cannot regulate their body temperature properly.

why?

A variety of reasons.  For example, people with fibromyalgia often have this issue.



I just googled "sweat out a cold".  I got pages and pages of results showing quotes and advice from doctors saying it is an old wives' tale, a bad idea, it is a myth, it accelerates dehydration, it is ineffective etc.

[Jason Thompson]

Because the proteins, among other things, that make up your body and drive your metabolic processes are sensitive to temperature. All chemical reactions are, and your body depends on chemical reactions to function. A sustained increase of only a few degrees in your core temperature can be potentially fatal.

[Luke Pemberton]

I'm not sure a study of Panadol v tea could ever be properly carried out, as I don't see how it could be made double-blind.

Yes, that would indeed be tricky to make double-blind.

[Luke Pemberton]

I'm lucky, I've never had flu. I've had some very heavy colds, but never flu. Until recently I have never taken anything for a cold other than paracetamol to alleviate the headache symptoms. I have resorted to cold remedies in recent times, but that is mainly because they contain decongestants.

I tend to go to bed early when I have a cold, but that is simply because I am run down and tired. I drink lots of sweet tea, but again that is because I feel run down and the glucose gives me a lift; but this feeling is very much a personal perception. I don't think taking glucose speeds up the recovery process as I find sweet tea only really makes a difference to how I feel towards the end of the cold when I probably feel quite low and am in need of energy.

As for sweating out the cold/flu, I think the process of getting warm just makes people feel better when they are run down and actually does not help to speed up the process of getting well.

My own experience of having a cold is about making myself feel comfortable rather than speeding up the body's immune response. The latter, my body does in its own time, and all the sweating, sweet tea and keeping warm make no difference to how quickly I can fend off the virus.

[Echnaton]

I know. I am just saying that the debate exists and it is not just in my head.

When an argument comes to this, it is time to back away and reconsider that you are probably be wrong.  I'm just sayin'.

[twik]

"Allow inflammation. The body reacts against viruses with inflammation and the result of inflammation is either directly toxic to the virus, or helps to physically expel virus from the body. For example, viruses are very temperature sensitive – for the body to run a fever is a good thing – fever kills viruses (and bacteria). A good snotty nose helps to wash out virus from the nose and a hacking cough blasts the bugs from the lungs. Symptoms may be uncomfortable but should be welcomed as an appropriate way to get rid of virus. This is why I hate to see symptom-suppressing cold remedies such as paracetamol, antihistamines, alcohol, decongestants, cough mixtures which interfere with the body\’s natural mechanisms of killing and expelling virus. SO DO NOT SUPPRESS SYMPTOMS – THEY ARE NATURE\’S WAY OF EXPELLING INFECTIONS. "

http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Viral_infections_-_avoid_them_and_treat_them_aggressively

maybe we can make at the end of the debate a list of all the discussed with their pros and cons..

The idea that you could cough away enough viruses to eliminate the disease in your own lungs is ridiculous. These viruses are not like some sort of litter lying on top of the cells. They are *in* the cells. You can't cough them away. You can only spread them to other people by "blasting" your body fluids around the environment.

[LionKing]

"Allow inflammation. The body reacts against viruses with inflammation and the result of inflammation is either directly toxic to the virus, or helps to physically expel virus from the body. For example, viruses are very temperature sensitive – for the body to run a fever is a good thing – fever kills viruses (and bacteria). A good snotty nose helps to wash out virus from the nose and a hacking cough blasts the bugs from the lungs. Symptoms may be uncomfortable but should be welcomed as an appropriate way to get rid of virus. This is why I hate to see symptom-suppressing cold remedies such as paracetamol, antihistamines, alcohol, decongestants, cough mixtures which interfere with the body\’s natural mechanisms of killing and expelling virus. SO DO NOT SUPPRESS SYMPTOMS – THEY ARE NATURE\’S WAY OF EXPELLING INFECTIONS. "

http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Viral_infections_-_avoid_them_and_treat_them_aggressively

maybe we can make at the end of the debate a list of all the discussed with their pros and cons..

The idea that you could cough away enough viruses to eliminate the disease in your own lungs is ridiculous. These viruses are not like some sort of litter lying on top of the cells. They are *in* the cells. You can't cough them away. You can only spread them to other people by "blasting" your body fluids around the environment.

it doesn't matter how..it matters that it works for me and other people as they report.
here is how I found out it kills viruses http://naturalsociety.com/how-sweating-fight-infection-illness/

my friend is a physician and she once told me that white blood cells work better in warmer body

at any rates, sweating is good also for getting out arsenic and other poisonous materials . there is a meta-analysis of articles in this regards that recommends regulating sweating in guidelines as a measure for detox.

[Bryanpoprobson]

it doesn't matter how..it matters that it works for me and other people as they report.
here is how I found out it kills viruses http://naturalsociety.com/how-sweating-fight-infection-illness/

my friend is a physician and she once told me that white blood cells work better in warmer body

at any rates, sweating is good also for getting out arsenic and other poisonous materials . there is a meta-analysis of articles in this regards that recommends regulating sweating in guidelines as a measure for detox.

That has no relevance to viruses, the link states there is a anti-bacteriological element to sweating. The link mentions that it has an effect on viruses, but that is simply not borne out in fact. Which would lead me to suspect the legitimacy of the complete article, without cross-referencing it. Which I can't be bothered with atm.    

[BazBear]

Sweating, in itself, may not be bad (if you remain hydrated, of course), but maintaining a high fever to do so is definitely a very bad, and dangerous, idea.

[Echnaton]

it doesn't matter how..it matters that it works for me and other people as they report.
here is how I found out it kills viruses http://naturalsociety.com/how-sweating-fight-infection-illness/

my friend is a physician and she once told me that white blood cells work better in warmer body

at any rates, sweating is good also for getting out arsenic and other poisonous materials . there is a meta-analysis of articles in this regards that recommends regulating sweating in guidelines as a measure for detox.

Really, Lionking.  Your reflexive desire to believe against-the-mainstream stuff is getting you into trouble.  Personal anecdote and random web links are no replacement for a an education about the actual way nature works.

"Detox" is yet another marketing term with no meaning designed to separate the ignorant and gullible from their money.  Do you think your body is harboring excess arsenic without eliminating it?  Do you think your normal perspiration is insufficient to do it normal functions? 

What does this have to do with the flu virus anyway?

Nothing. You are just doing a gish gallop to avoid the question and the fact that you cannot support what you say.

[Zakalwe]

Really, Lionking.  Your reflexive desire to believe against-the-mainstream stuff is getting you into trouble.  Personal anecdote and random web links are no replacement for a an education about the actual way nature works.

"Detox" is yet another marketing term with no meaning designed to separate the ignorant and gullible from their money.  Do you think your body is harboring excess arsenic without eliminating it?  Do you think your normal perspiration is insufficient to do it normal functions? 

What does this have to do with the flu virus anyway?

Nothing. You are just doing a gish gallop to avoid the question and the fact that you cannot support what you say.

^^This^^

Citing a woo-woo "health" page that seriously portrays bunkum such as homeopathy as evidence, is the equivalent of using Bart Sibrel to back a hoax argument.

Get real Lionking. You are going nowhere with this ridiculous line of "debate"

[LionKing]

it doesn't matter how..it matters that it works for me and other people as they report.
here is how I found out it kills viruses http://naturalsociety.com/how-sweating-fight-infection-illness/

my friend is a physician and she once told me that white blood cells work better in warmer body

at any rates, sweating is good also for getting out arsenic and other poisonous materials . there is a meta-analysis of articles in this regards that recommends regulating sweating in guidelines as a measure for detox.

That has no relevance to viruses, the link states there is a anti-bacteriological element to sweating. The link mentions that it has an effect on viruses, but that is simply not borne out in fact. Which would lead me to suspect the legitimacy of the complete article, without cross-referencing it. Which I can't be bothered with atm.

Known as Dermcidin, the protein becomes active when it encounters slightly acidic and salty environments—sweat being the perfect solution. Once activated, it funnels harmful bacteria, viruses, and fungus through its structure, destroying the cells in “fractions of a second,” according to Medical News Today - See more at: http://naturalsociety.com/how-sweating-fight-infection-illness/#sthash.o8FrBkXi.dpuf

this http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/11/111101130200.htm supports what my dr. friend told me about fighting of the immune system in elevated body temperatures