AS11-44-6550 and AS17-134-20384

[mako88sb]

I'm not sure if this issue some hoaxhead is implying has ever been brought up before regarding AS17-134-20384. A quick search didn't bring up anything. I'm just wondering if there is any links out there for a explanation of this photo?

"Ooops!  Aside from the Earth lighting showing the Sun is directly overhead, while the astronaut's visor reflection shows a long sunset shadow:"

[JayUtah]

The astronaut's visor is gold, thus tinting any reflection.  The sun is centered behind the photographer, not directly overhead.  Thus from the astronaut Schmitt's point of view, he should be seeing the shaded side of Cernan with shadow falling away behind Cernan.  The hot spot on Schmitt's visor is consistent with the illumination angle as evidenced by Earth's terminator.

Looks like another failure in spatial reasoning.  It's likely this specific claim has never been made before, but the same broken assumptions and handwaving claims can be made about nearly all the 7,000 lunar surface photographs.  He's not a genius for applying the same faulty reasoning to a new photo.

[smartcooky]

Besides, the shadow angle of the Earth (90° to the terminator) seems pretty consistent with the shadow angle of the corners that the sunshade casts over the visor.'''

[mako88sb]

Thanks guys. I'm better able to visualize it now although I doubt I would be able to adequately explain it. Anyway, I really got to stop following those youtube videos about this stuff. I watched part of one of the flat Earth videos. So according to the expert about it, Antarctica is actually the edge of the world and that's why commercial flights aren't allowed over it. My goodness the nonsense that people think up.

[onebigmonkey]

That Apollo 17 image was part of a short series taken at around 01:20 on 12/12/72 - as determined by the mission transcript and confirmed by the meteorology visible on the Earth and the position of the terminator.

There is a companion photo (AS17-134-20387) that shows the position of the sun over the horizon in Cernan's curved visor and it is entirely consistent with where it should be according to Stellarium:

[Trebor]

...I watched part of one of the flat Earth videos. So according to the expert about it, Antarctica is actually the edge of the world and that's why commercial flights aren't allowed over it. My goodness the nonsense that people think up.

Flat Earth? What the...?

[Abaddon]

...I watched part of one of the flat Earth videos. So according to the expert about it, Antarctica is actually the edge of the world and that's why commercial flights aren't allowed over it. My goodness the nonsense that people think up.

Flat Earth? What the...?

Worth checking out. It reveals the role-playing mindset in all it's glory. Read up on the flat earth crapfest, then apply the same to bigfootery, UFOlogy, moon hoaxery, <insert nuttery of choice>.

It becomes very clear that the majority of proponents don't believe a single word they post, it's just outright blatant trollery.

From there, you can rapidly discern the trolls from the outright barking loons and your strategy of engagement becomes apparent.

[bknight]

I'm not sure if this issue some hoaxhead is implying has ever been brought up before regarding AS17-134-20384. A quick search didn't bring up anything. I'm just wondering if there is any links out there for a explanation of this photo?

"Ooops!  Aside from the Earth lighting showing the Sun is directly overhead, while the astronaut's visor reflection shows a long sunset shadow:"

Isn't this the photo that Marcus Allen has allegedly, attempted and gave up after several attempts being unable to duplicate? Therefore since he was unable to duplicate it is "likely" to have been created in a studio.

[onebigmonkey]

I'm not sure if this issue some hoaxhead is implying has ever been brought up before regarding AS17-134-20384. A quick search didn't bring up anything. I'm just wondering if there is any links out there for a explanation of this photo?

"Ooops!  Aside from the Earth lighting showing the Sun is directly overhead, while the astronaut's visor reflection shows a long sunset shadow:"

Isn't this the photo that Marcus Allen has allegedly, attempted and gave up after several attempts being unable to duplicate? Therefore since he was unable to duplicate it is "likely" to have been created in a studio.

If only he'd just rotated it about 25 degrees anticlockwise.

[bknight]

Now if he did that,he'd lose his "credibility" as a HB and not sell anymore  magazines or DVD's.

[Zakalwe]

I'm not sure if this issue some hoaxhead is implying has ever been brought up before regarding AS17-134-20384. A quick search didn't bring up anything. I'm just wondering if there is any links out there for a explanation of this photo?

There's a couple of things at play here. One is the effect of portraying  a three-dimensional world onto a two-dimensional plane (the film surface). This video explains a lot of these effects

The other effect is that the visor is heavily curved, so you are getting an almost fish-eye lens effect.

Poor spatial awareness and an inability to understand the most basic aspects of photography seems to be a common trait of hoax believers.

[bknight]

Besides, the shadow angle of the Earth (90° to the terminator) seems pretty consistent with the shadow angle of the corners that the sunshade casts over the visor.'''

I have a question concerning Marcus Allen.  Astrobrant indicated "All I can remember is related to an address he made in front of some scientists and technologists who dealt with all of the issues he raised. He was reportedly impressed by them and made some kind of conciliatory remarks before leaving."

Has anyone had the same indication or evidence? 
Just asking.

[Bryanpoprobson]

Besides, the shadow angle of the Earth (90° to the terminator) seems pretty consistent with the shadow angle of the corners that the sunshade casts over the visor.'''

I have a question concerning Marcus Allen.  Astrobrant indicated "All I can remember is related to an address he made in front of some scientists and technologists who dealt with all of the issues he raised. He was reportedly impressed by them and made some kind of conciliatory remarks before leaving."

Has anyone had the same indication or evidence? 
Just asking.

British Interplanetary Society

http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=32.msg242;topicseen#msg242

[bknight]

Besides, the shadow angle of the Earth (90° to the terminator) seems pretty consistent with the shadow angle of the corners that the sunshade casts over the visor.'''

I have a question concerning Marcus Allen.  Astrobrant indicated "All I can remember is related to an address he made in front of some scientists and technologists who dealt with all of the issues he raised. He was reportedly impressed by them and made some kind of conciliatory remarks before leaving."

Has anyone had the same indication or evidence? 
Just asking.

British Interplanetary Society

http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=32.msg242;topicseen#msg242

I was under the impression that this conversion was fairly recent not 2012, but I could be wrong.