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[bknight]

Sagan was an atheist

False.

As is everything he has posted.

[onebigmonkey]

You obviously didn't read the article given how quickly you posted. 
Again, further proving that the globe earth universe is a religious concept.

And clearly neither did you:

We conclude that the flat earth/near sun model does not work.

[tradosaurus]

Well so far my post has demonstrated to me that NASA space is a religion.  I get mostly derogatory comments that indicate a concern of members who have their belief system questioned.  I guess the same type of response from cults like the Mormons and Scientologists.

Or that you have wandered into a specialist forum and tried to posture and pontificate from a position of near-total ignorance.

Try wandering into the Practical Machinist forum, confusing bronze with brass, then telling people all about how "obviously" you'd get cleaner cuts with lower RPMs. See how polite they are to you then!

Please review this image.  It is a diagram of the Saturn V Rocket that NASA says sent 3 men to the moon and back on a 6 day journey not including a 1 day stint on the moon.

I don't need your selectively quoted source, because my understanding of the Apollo Program is based on familiarity with the equipment via a number of different sources. Any one image can be open to misinterpretation -- it can even be incorrect. NASA, like Homer, can nod. This does not reflect upon the vast correspondence between the documentation of the project and physical reality as we currently understand it.

  So for 6 days the 3 astro-nots spent cramped in the Command Module, which is listed as 10'-7" in height and 12'-10" in diamter.  The room I'm typing in now is about 11' square and about 8 ft in height.  I'm imagining putting food, water, fuel, parachute, 3 men and instruments in a room this size and I don't see much room for the astro-nots to move around.  So basically for 3 days, 3 astro-nots were most likely strapped to their chair and had eat, pee/poop somehow and dispose of their waste.  In staged videos from NASA it shows the 3 astro-nots moving around the CM as if there is plenty of room.   
Also step 4 on the phases of the trip it states that the CSM turns and docks with the Lunar Module.  That's a neat parlor trick while moving at a fast clip around the moon. 

I'm going to ignore the poop obsession, and nod only in passing to the repeated error that habitable volume includes stored perishables and general supplies, to move on to a failure to understand Newton.

Let me put it to you this way. I can, sitting at this very desk, not only type and write (semi-legibly) but even thread a needle. Yet desk, myself, and my entire neighborhood is hurtling around the globe at over 1200 kilometers per hour. Which it does in very regular and methodical fashion, apparently unconcerned that at the same time the entire planet is booking around the Sun at over 100,000 kilometers per hour!

I'm sorry to upset your belief system (actually, no I'm not. lol).  You BELIEVE that the earth is rotating faster than the speed of sound while hurdling 60,000 miles around the sun, while the solar system is moving even faster at insane speeds with absolutely no proof whatsoever, except that NASA says so.  I think I would believe that Joseph Smith found some gold tablets rather than this fiction. 

[Gazpar]

Even simpler, you can prove that the earth is curved merely by taking a flight in a commercial airliner. If your airliner cruises above around 35,000 feet, then so long as you have a fairly wide field of view (at least 60°) and a near cloud-free horizon, you can see the curvature of the earth for yourself.

Even better, you can see it for yourself from ground level if you live near the sea, and especially, if you live near a seaport. All you need is clear view of the sea and a pair of binoculars – just watch ships after they leave the port and as they approach the horizon, you will see that their hulls start to disappear before their masts and other superstructure.

Ancient Greek philosopher-scientists spotted this without any optical aids, and concluded that the Earth was round. The Greek scholar, Erastosthenes of Cyrene even attempted to calculate the circumference of the Earth.....

... and he got it right within just a few percent

Now if a man who lived 2200 years ago could prove conclusively that the Earth was a sphere, one wonders why we still have idiots to this day who deny it.

The Erasthotenes experiment on a flat earth would give people near the Poles bigger values since latitude lines would grow exponentially but it is does not.
On a flat earth there would not be an horizon since parallel lines dont meet.
and so on...
Flat earth has to many holes.

Wouldn't the flat earth model our OP claims to adhere to actually make it much easier to get to the moon?

Yep, it is only 3000 miles away 

Eratosthenes assumed that the earth is a globe and that the sun was far away when actuality the earth is flat and the sun is less than 5,000 miles away and much smaller. 

If Eratosthenes assumed flat earth, small sun, and closer sun his experiment would have yielded the same results.

http://www.millersville.edu/physics/experiments/058/index.php
Read toward the bottom.

Sagan was an atheist with an agenda and either really believed in the globe earth fantasy or intentionally deceived.

Except an smaller and near sun would change drastically of size during the day and it would never set. On a flat earth people near the poles would get bigger values for the erasthotenes experiment instead of giving a constant value of 40000km and longitude lines would get bigger down the equator.
Sagan was not an atheist, he was agnostic.

[bknight]

Sagan was an atheist with an agenda and either really believed in the globe earth fantasy or intentionally deceived.

This is the point where we all back away slowly and avoid eye contact.

You obviously didn't read the article given how quickly you posted. 
Again, further proving that the globe earth universe is a religious concept.

You haven't answered my question in post
Reply #68 on: January 31, 2016, 08:44:45 PM
Why? Are you afraid to admit your adolescent beliefs are full of nothing more than hot air.

[JayUtah]

Again, further proving that the globe earth universe is a religious concept.

Nope.

You seem to think you're having an intellectual discussion here.  There is zero intellectual content in anything you've posted.  You're either a teenager having a troll, or a deeply disturbed individual who needs professional help.

All your allegations of fact have been met with rebuttals that you simply dismiss via disbelief.  If you want attention, you must prove yourself worthy of it.

[Gazpar]

Well so far my post has demonstrated to me that NASA space is a religion.  I get mostly derogatory comments that indicate a concern of members who have their belief system questioned.  I guess the same type of response from cults like the Mormons and Scientologists.

Or that you have wandered into a specialist forum and tried to posture and pontificate from a position of near-total ignorance.

Try wandering into the Practical Machinist forum, confusing bronze with brass, then telling people all about how "obviously" you'd get cleaner cuts with lower RPMs. See how polite they are to you then!

Please review this image.  It is a diagram of the Saturn V Rocket that NASA says sent 3 men to the moon and back on a 6 day journey not including a 1 day stint on the moon.

I don't need your selectively quoted source, because my understanding of the Apollo Program is based on familiarity with the equipment via a number of different sources. Any one image can be open to misinterpretation -- it can even be incorrect. NASA, like Homer, can nod. This does not reflect upon the vast correspondence between the documentation of the project and physical reality as we currently understand it.

  So for 6 days the 3 astro-nots spent cramped in the Command Module, which is listed as 10'-7" in height and 12'-10" in diamter.  The room I'm typing in now is about 11' square and about 8 ft in height.  I'm imagining putting food, water, fuel, parachute, 3 men and instruments in a room this size and I don't see much room for the astro-nots to move around.  So basically for 3 days, 3 astro-nots were most likely strapped to their chair and had eat, pee/poop somehow and dispose of their waste.  In staged videos from NASA it shows the 3 astro-nots moving around the CM as if there is plenty of room.   
Also step 4 on the phases of the trip it states that the CSM turns and docks with the Lunar Module.  That's a neat parlor trick while moving at a fast clip around the moon. 

I'm going to ignore the poop obsession, and nod only in passing to the repeated error that habitable volume includes stored perishables and general supplies, to move on to a failure to understand Newton.

Let me put it to you this way. I can, sitting at this very desk, not only type and write (semi-legibly) but even thread a needle. Yet desk, myself, and my entire neighborhood is hurtling around the globe at over 1200 kilometers per hour. Which it does in very regular and methodical fashion, apparently unconcerned that at the same time the entire planet is booking around the Sun at over 100,000 kilometers per hour!

I'm sorry to upset your belief system (actually, no I'm not. lol).  You BELIEVE that the earth is rotating faster than the speed of sound while hurdling 60,000 miles around the sun, while the solar system is moving even faster at insane speeds with absolutely no proof whatsoever, except that NASA says so.  I think I would believe that Joseph Smith found some gold tablets rather than this fiction.

You dont feel velocity. Travelling at 10 mph is the same as 100mph. The speed of sound is irrelevant if the air is travelling at the same velocity as you.
You are scientifically illiterate of the most basic concepts.

[Zakalwe]

I'm sorry to upset your belief system (actually, no I'm not. lol).  You BELIEVE that the earth is rotating faster than the speed of sound while hurdling 60,000 miles around the sun

Hurdling? So you think that the Earth is doing this?



My, what strange beliefs you have.....   

.... that NASA says so

I've asked before but you ignored the question. What is "NASA"?

[bknight]

Why? Are you afraid to admit your adolescent beliefs are full of nothing more than hot air.

I'm wise enough not to validate your adolescent rant.

Not my rant, Jay

[tradosaurus]

Another question that flat earthers can't seem to answer: why does a flight from Frankfurt to Singapore take 12.5 hours, when a flight from Singapore to Frankfurt, flying over the exact same trajectory takes 13.5 hours?

The real question should be why doesn't the flight against the supposed rotation of the earth ( take less than a few hours since the plane would be flying against 1,000 to 700 mph rotation (depending upon what latitude you were at)?

[JayUtah]

Why? Are you afraid to admit your adolescent beliefs are full of nothing more than hot air.

I'm wise enough not to validate your adolescent rant.

Not my rant, Jay

Indeed, my apologies.  Original post removed.

(I was shopping for a new laptop in the other window and not paying attention to attributions.)   

[Gazpar]

Another question that flat earthers can't seem to answer: why does a flight from Frankfurt to Singapore take 12.5 hours, when a flight from Singapore to Frankfurt, flying over the exact same trajectory takes 13.5 hours?

The real question should be why doesn't the flight against the supposed rotation of the earth ( take less than a few hours since the plane would be flying against 1,000 to 700 mph rotation (depending upon what latitude you were at)?

Because the airplane is already carrying the velocity of the earth's rotation.

[tradosaurus]

You dont feel velocity. Travelling at 10 mph is the same as 100mph. The speed of sound is irrelevant if the air is travelling at the same velocity as you.
You are scientifically illiterate of the most basic concepts.

I'm not being mesmerized by your comments.  Now if you waved a magic wand while moving a pocket watch back and forth in front of me then we might have a different outcome. 
Me saying that I don't feel the insane speeds that the globe earth community is spouting is not unscientific.

[Gazpar]

You dont feel velocity. Travelling at 10 mph is the same as 100mph. The speed of sound is irrelevant if the air is travelling at the same velocity as you.
You are scientifically illiterate of the most basic concepts.

I'm not being mesmerized by your comments.  Now if you waved a magic wand while moving a pocket watch back and forth in front of me then we might have a different outcome. 
Me saying that I don't feel the insane speeds that the globe earth community is spouting is not unscientific.

Yes it is unscientific. You only feel acceleration, not constant velocity.

[JayUtah]

Me saying that I don't feel the insane speeds that the globe earth community is spouting is not unscientific.

It is eminently unscientific.  Velocity is not perceived; acceleration is perceived.  You are not being accelerated by rotation, therefore you don't feel anything.  That's basic Newtonian physics.