NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam

[JayUtah]

It's hard to believe that an individual would actually subject himself to that level of humiliation if he didn't - on some level - believe that his claims had some validity.

I agree, but then he and his followers evolved the notion that he had been railroaded by a sham committee that was trying to discredit the conspiracy movement.  That was when White styled himself as the "most dangerous photo analyst in the world," owing to the apparently colossal effort the government had put forth to "humiliate" him and discredit his testimony.  Even abject failure can be twisted to support one's ego-fantasy construct.  White stayed almost exclusively within various walled gardens, protected by webmasters and pawns who bullied away any meaningful criticism of his work.  He worked hard to insulate himself from any real challenges and to try to dismiss his critics as agents provacateurs.

[JayUtah]

Hmm - a captcha/Turing test for new members?

I wonder how many Turing tests a human conspiracist would fail.  The essence of the Turing test is whether the interlocutor seems like a normal, rational person.

[Andromeda]

Obviously I don't have much experience, but many HBs I have met in various places are quite rational, but lack the appropriate education and/or understanding so they fall for some of the more convincing conspiracy theories.

It seems to be that the very worst HBs are the ones who shout the loudest and hence get more attention.  It might also be that those are the ones most likely to attack you in particular.

[gillianren]

Heh.  We could have a test for being allowed to post wherein we ask every new member how they react to discovering they're wrong.  Of course, we'd probably never have a conspiracist here again.  They don't understand the question.

[JayUtah]

I'm not sure whether the use of the cropping trick was an indication that he was playing dumb (and outright lying) in his other claims, or if he really was that spectacularly deficient in spatial reasoning ability and did it purely by accident or by following some misguided "technique". (or got them from someone else...)

That's a question White took with him to the grave.  As I said, we have speculated for years whether White's colossal displays of poor spatial reasoning were affected or real.  Given that he seems to fit well the classic Dunning-Kruger model, I tend to think they were real and that White's charisma and other factors allowed him to translate that stunning inability into some degree of fame.  If he was faking his spatial dysfunction, he was remarkably consistent with it.  His notorious inability to determine the orientation of the lunar module from photographs was the stuff of riotous ridicule -- justly so.

In addition to crop-and-resize, which could be attributed to simple problems with spatial reasoning, White also undertook some activity that's harder to dismiss as only incompetence.  In an infamous case, he assembled small sections of different photographs to establish a ridgeline for a mountain range, which he argued was identical to one appearing in a different photo from a different mission.  It's hard to argue that this degree of deliberate misrepresentation is accidental or the product of ignorance.

[JayUtah]

...but many HBs I have met in various places are quite rational, but lack the appropriate education and/or understanding so they fall for some of the more convincing conspiracy theories.

Of course, I'm not entirely serious.  I note our conspiracist here has posted a few times without addressing the content of anything else in the thread.  But no, I don't seriously propose that she isn't human.  I simply missed where her gender was established and took the opportunity to defuse my embarrassment with a little humor.

It might also be that those are the ones most likely to attack you in particular.

I do tend to attract a lot of that kind of attention, don't I?

[Andromeda]

...but many HBs I have met in various places are quite rational, but lack the appropriate education and/or understanding so they fall for some of the more convincing conspiracy theories.

Of course, I'm not entirely serious.  I note our conspiracist here has posted a few times without addressing the content of anything else in the thread.  But no, I don't seriously propose that she isn't human.  I simply missed where her gender was established and took the opportunity to defuse my embarrassment with a little humor.

Oh, sorry.

Her username and self-description matches up with the YouTube profile (and other online profiles) of a woman who is a fan of Hunchy, I have assumed she is the same person.  I might be wrong but I suspect I am not.

[Zakalwe]

She is most definitley female. I looked through her main blog. It wasnt the best 30 minutes that Ive ever spent......

[Sus_pilot]

...but many HBs I have met in various places are quite rational, but lack the appropriate education and/or understanding so they fall for some of the more convincing conspiracy theories.

Of course, I'm not entirely serious.  I note our conspiracist here has posted a few times without addressing the content of anything else in the thread.  But no, I don't seriously propose that she isn't human.  I simply missed where her gender was established and took the opportunity to defuse my embarrassment with a little humor.

It might also be that those are the ones most likely to attack you in particular.

I do tend to attract a lot of that kind of attention, don't I?

You have a standing offer of drink from me if we ever meet at an air show or aviation trade show.

I'm curious to see if you're really the three-eyed ogre many HBers would have us believe.

[gillianren]

He's got a standing invitation to dinner here if he's ever in the area.  We're less vocal, but I think Jay has at least as many devoted supporters as devoted enemies.  It comes of being so devastatingly eloquent, I suspect.

[darren r]

She is most definitley female. I looked through her main blog. It wasnt the best 30 minutes that Ive ever spent......

I did like her cat videos.

[chrisbobson]

NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam

Within forty years of Christopher Columbus setting foot in America in 1492, thousands of other Europeans had done the same. Within forty years of the Wright Brothers flight across the Atlantic Ocean in 1903, thousands of other people had done the same. Within forty years of Sir Edmond Hillary reaching the summit of Mount Everest in 1953, thousands of other explorers had done the same. And within forty years of Yuri Gagarin’s orbit of the earth in 1961, thousands of other people had done the same. Yet 40 years after 12 men allegedly set foot on the moon, not a single other person has done the same, nor attempted to do so. Does this not seem a bit strange? Well, it only seems strange to those who cling on to the belief that the Apollo space program was entirely genuine, transparent and above board. I used to be in that camp too until I actually started to seriously examine the photographic and video record of the alleged moon landings. The sheer number of inexplicable anomalies and apparent impossibilities shown in some of these photos and videos has led me to the firm conclusion that they were not taken under the conditions that NASA has led us to believe.

Using photo and video editing software, it is often possible to detect how a photo or video was put together. Many of the NASA Apollo images and videos allegedly taken on the moon, show tell-tale signs of crude compositing and re-touching, as well as the use of studio lighting, stage backdrops, scale models, Scotchlite screens and even chroma-keying. These photographic and video anomalies alone are enough to cast serious doubt about whether they were taken on the lunar surface, but this represents only a small amount of the large body of evidence proving that Apollo moon landings, as shown in the official NASA archives, are an elaborate work of fiction.

From my observations, I have come to the conclusion that all of the 12 alleged moon walkers presented to us in the Apollo videos and photos, were actually played by the same two actors. From a production perspective, there would be no need for any more than 2 actors, as their faces would be hidden by a visor for all of the moon landing footage. They probably also used some audio and video footage of the real astronauts taken previously during training simulations. Most of the Apollo space program was real, including blast-off and splashdown. But the part about landing on the moon was fabricated.

As with all conspiracies of this magnitude, the only way the truth can ever come out is if the perpetrators openly admit what they did. Unfortunately, this rarely happens. However, if the Apollo landings were faked, there are a number of good reasons why the truth will come out soon. Firstly, there are many more space agencies on the planet than there were a few decades ago, that are all interested in exploring the moon. And some have already made good progress. If any of these space agencies attempts a manned lunar mission in the future, and the photos and videos of the moon differ significantly to those of the Apollo missions, then people will start to ask serious questions. Within another few years, it may even be possible for individuals to send their own probes to the moon’s surface and beam back video straight to their iPods. And if any of this imagery contradicts NASA’s Apollo moon imagery then this would blow the whole scam wide open for all to see. But you don’t need to wait until then to confirm for yourself that the Apollo moon landings were faked. All you need to do is listen to NASA’s excuses as to why they haven’t sent a human being further than 300 miles from Earth since 1972.

If NASA wants us to believe the Apollo moon landings were real, the onus is on them to provide irrefutable evidence to support their claim, and they have failed to do this. The photo and video evidence can be discounted because of the many inexplicable anomalies they contain, and by virtue of the fact that it is possible to create realistic images of the moon using a studio set up. The moon rock evidence can also be discounted because the same rocks can easily be found in Antarctica. Also, a piece of moon rock that NASA gave to the Dutch national museum turned out to be nothing more than petrified wood. In any case, in order to collect rocks from the moon, you do not need to send humans there. The Soviet Union was using robotic landers to collect moon rocks in the 1960s and 70s. As for the laser reflector on the moon, this does not prove that humans landed on the moon. A reflector could be landed on the moon just as easily as a probe. But in any case, in the 1960s the Soviets showed that they could bounce laser beams off parts of the moon’s surface without the need for a laser reflector. So we can’t even be certain that there is a laser reflector on the moon anyway. And as for claims that the Soviet’s were able to track the Apollo craft all the way to the moon and back, well that’s a big red-herring because the Soviet’s were only able to do this from 1972, which incidentally, was just a few weeks before NASA cancelled the Apollo 18 mission and abandoned the rest of the program altogether. None of NASA’s so-called evidence proves they actually sent humans beyond Earth orbit or landed them on the surface of the moon. On top of that, NASA has made itself look even guiltier by attempting to cover up their sloppy mistakes in the photographic record of the Apollo program. They have recently been caught altering and removing the incriminating photos from their website in an attempt to cover their tracks.

As for a conspiracy like this needing thousands of people to keep secret, well that’s a red-herring too, because in reality, the Apollo program was completely compartmentalized so only a handful of senior insiders would have needed to know the big picture.

That video ia so friggin' weak dude.  You gotta' come up with something better.  LEt's see more in the way of hardcore specifics.

[dwight]

You mean like posting on every single thread in this forum to show how balanced and sane the HB side is? The mind boggles with the limitless possibilities!

[chrisbobson]

You mean like posting on every single thread in this forum to show how balanced and sane the HB side is? The mind boggles with the limitless possibilities!

Well I am trying to read though this.  Makes sense to comment.  Take a look they are relevant. 
The topic here is the 30 billion buck scam.  Me and me mum paid for a bit of that.  We are entitled to weigh in.

[Jason Thompson]

It doesn't make sense to comment on threads that have been inactive for months. In fact it looks downright disruptive, peppering the site with comments that relate only to the first posts and ignore the rest of the discussion. It looks like someone trying to throw so much mud at the wall he can't possibly be called to account for all of it.

Why don't you do what most others do and start a new thread to discuss any particular points you want to talk about? Because you're not interested in a proper discussion, that's why. Do you think this site exists in some kind of isolation from the rest of the web and we haven't noticed you in other places and figured out who you are?