Why the hoax theory fails out of the starting gate

[Glom]

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For all the nitpicking about things that don't exist, conspiracists fail to answer the important questions:
1) Why bother?  Just because a real moonlanding would be a triumph it doesn't automatically mean it's worth faking.
2) Why is it easier to fake it than do it for real?
3) Why do the nitpicks about shadows and crosshairs imply a hoax?  There could be a thousand explanations for those nits.

[gillianren]

I've always wondered that.  I guess logic simply isn't relevant in hoax belief.

[Kiwi]

1) Why bother?  Just because a real moonlanding would be a triumph it does automatically mean it's worth faking.

What does that mean?  It's not clear -- is there a typo in it, or something left out?

[Glom]

1) Why bother?  Just because a real moonlanding would be a triumph it does automatically mean it's worth faking.

What does that mean?  It's not clear -- is there a typo in it, or something left out?

What I mean is that the risk and cost of faking a moon landing requires a very good reason.  When pushed on this, HBs just point out the general reasons for wanting a moon programme.  But that's not enough.  There needs to be more to justify faking it.

[gillianren]

I think it is a typo and should say "doesn't."

[dwight]

I have found that recently most HBs tend to be really off-tangent and actually come across as idiots with no help but their own. There is a decided turn against following every conspiracy out there and people are starting to question the HB side's plain stupid arguments.

[Glom]

I think it is a typo and should say "doesn't."

Oh yeah.  Sorry.  I only just noticed my dim error.

[RAF]

I have found that recently most HBs tend to be really off-tangent and actually come across as idiots with no help but their own.

cough (Patrick) cough


Just read his latest...he now claims that JFK knew the Apollo missions were faked, 5 years after he was assasinated.


What an idiot...

[dwight]

It's actually funny to see even the great JW fall down the path of bizarreness. Over on YT he claims a cheeky comment by John Saxon from Honeysuckle Creek is "very telling". I don't think he quite realized that Mr Saxon is a friend of mine and I happen to know what he thinks of HBs and people like JW. I wonder if he would take every word John says as gospel truth if I were to publish those comments?

[gillianren]

No, he'd take it as evidence that "they" got to him.

[Abaddon]

No, he'd take it as evidence that "they" got to him.

In the odd HB universe, literally any fact can be bent into a shape in favour of a hoax.

I suppose that's a skill, in a perverse kind of way.

[Abaddon]

Wait, what? How come we are all Mercurians?

And why is it so hot in here?

[twik]

I think that most conspiracists have developed a thinking pattern from popular media portrayals of conspiracies. While one can always find some way of rationalizing "they wanna make giant killer bats, OK?" in the script, it doesn't have to be a particularly strong reason. They're the bad guys, and they're evil. They do these things because they're evil. That's all you really need to know.

So, we see Patrick trying desperately to find reasons to justify faking the Apollo missions. Um, oh, he knows, it's to establish a space-based missile platform! When it's pointed out to him that such a setup would be inferior to systems that we do know about, he shrugs, and insists that it would work as part of such a system, so therefore it *must* be part of the system. Sort of an "if it can be done, we will do it, even if there's not much point."

[gillianren]

Wait, what? How come we are all Mercurians?

And why is it so hot in here?

New board; we start at the beginning again.

[twik]

Last one to Jupiter's a rotten egg!