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Offline RAF

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Re: Brilliant debunk video of hoax claims - HBs take note (if you can)
« Reply #45 on: January 21, 2013, 09:24:09 PM »
You must have missed the circa 200 memos explaining how the GCTA worked during your important tenure at KSC.

Perhaps he was sick that day(s).


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Perhaps you were the gardener there?

Now, now....no need to insult hard working gardeners, just because one has delusions of engineer-hood:D

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Re: Brilliant debunk video of hoax claims - HBs take note (if you can)
« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2013, 09:30:40 PM »
Engineer.  I worked on space station guidance and control, too.

This reminds me of an old Bugs Bunny cartoon...

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Re: Brilliant debunk video of hoax claims - HBs take note (if you can)
« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2013, 09:34:05 PM »
There's a video on youtube where they take the mythbusters video with an astronaut jumping using a wire harness, and they slow it down 67%, and it matches up perfectly with a NASA video of an astronaut doing the same thing on the moon... which proves that it's easy to make a video that looks like you're on the moon using slow motion and a wire suspension.

Why would anyone try to fake lunar gravity using slow motion AND a wire harness?  That would be like making a product that was a floor wax AND a dessert topping.

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Re: Brilliant debunk video of hoax claims - HBs take note (if you can)
« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2013, 09:40:38 PM »
I've got 30 years in aerospace.  I've worked at VAFB and KSC.

In what capacity?

Engineer.  I worked on space station guidance and control, too.

Oh yeah? And yet you don't have a b@stard clue about how lunar rendezvous is achieved.
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Re: Brilliant debunk video of hoax claims - HBs take note (if you can)
« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2013, 09:52:03 PM »
There's a video on youtube where they take the mythbusters video with an astronaut jumping using a wire harness, and they slow it down 67%, and it matches up perfectly with a NASA video of an astronaut doing the same thing on the moon... which proves that it's easy to make a video that looks like you're on the moon using slow motion and a wire suspension.  However, it doesn't PROVE that we didn't go to the moon, it only proves that the mythbusters are full of shit.

Wrong. It proves that Jarrah White will move the goalposts to attempt to make his theory fit the visual record. He basically takes a 2 second clip that he can roughly get to synch in with John Young's jump.....but fails to apply that to the entire EVA. There is a very salient part of mythbusters that he did not, and could not address. When Adam Savage moved under wire support, every time he moved forward, the wire dragged him backwards......resulting in a very jerky motion. I believe it is to do with his centre of gravity. Nowhere in any of the Apollo video record do we see any jerky motion....unavoidable with a wire support.

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A bigger problem with the moon video is where the thing takes off from the moon and the camera follows it up.  The problem is not that it couldn't be controlled from earth.  The problem is saying it was controlled from earth, like that's the answer.  I hope NASA didn't say that.  The problem is that it would not have been controlled from earth.  But the video is fake for another reason.

Very poor research. Ed Fendell simply delayed each of his commands aligned to an exactly timed launch, with a 2 second delay to account for the light speed, relay station and equipment response time.

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The reason I say no, the next step isn't proving it's slow motion, is because NASA made sure that can't happen by saying they no longer have the original video or telemetry tapes.  Kinda like the "dog ate my homework" defense.

If they were faked in the first place! Why admit it, and why not simply reproduce a set? Besides it was only on Apollo 11, they were overwritten......not lost. 

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If NASA wanted to make the hoax accusations go away, they'd provide the telemetry tapes and that would solve it once and for all.

Then knock yourself out, Apollo 12-17 are fully intact.

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I want to see the IMU data.  They can't provide it because they don't have it.

Please indicate what you would do with it.

The mythbusters wire demo was designed not to work.  It's completely lame.  If you want to see somebody on a wire, here's a peter pan movie from 1960.  She runs around and flies all over the place without being pulled back.  (It's cued up.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hJFtCfHDFfw#t=1488s

The problem with Ed Fendell is they didn't need Ed Fendell.  The LEM should have sent a signal straight to the camera when the engine started, and the camera could have handled it from there.  Do you really think a guy was sitting in mission control with a joystick just to work the camera for 2 seconds?  Although, if you can get the telemetry uplink data for that mission, it would be in there.  I'd need the the data design document to know where it is in the data stream.

I didn't know the other apollo telemetry was available.  Not that they would give it to me.  In fact, if NASA really went to the moon, and they gave me the telemetry, and they paid me, I'd prove they went to the moon and nobody could ever argue with it.  In fact, if they didn't go to the moon, but they paid me, I'd still prove they went to the moon.  (I might contact them.)

So, please send me the apollo LEM telemetry along with a machine to read it and I'll take a look at it.  Also send me the guidance computer software design document along with the as-coded software document.  Also send me the LEM design document.  (I want to see the window for doing an IMU alignment, or how they otherwise did it.)  I'd also want the mission constants and sequence of events documents for the LEM and CM.  I'm not being facetious.  If anybody could produce any one of these items, I'd be very impressed.  I might even change my mind.  The whole moon hoax thing would be a close call except that, as the video points out, the govt lies all the time.


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Re: Brilliant debunk video of hoax claims - HBs take note (if you can)
« Reply #50 on: January 21, 2013, 09:55:31 PM »
There's a video on youtube where they take the mythbusters video with an astronaut jumping using a wire harness, and they slow it down 67%, and it matches up perfectly with a NASA video of an astronaut doing the same thing on the moon... which proves that it's easy to make a video that looks like you're on the moon using slow motion and a wire suspension.

Why would anyone try to fake lunar gravity using slow motion AND a wire harness?  That would be like making a product that was a floor wax AND a dessert topping.

Billions of dollars in funding.

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Re: Brilliant debunk video of hoax claims - HBs take note (if you can)
« Reply #51 on: January 21, 2013, 09:59:02 PM »
I've got 30 years in aerospace.  I've worked at VAFB and KSC.

In what capacity?

Engineer.  I worked on space station guidance and control, too.

Oh yeah? And yet you don't have a b@stard clue about how lunar rendezvous is achieved.
Can I recommend 'The Apollo Guidance Computer: Architecture and Operation'
 By Frank O'Brien.   

As an observation, no real engineer ever addresses other engineers in an aggressive and confrontational manner.
It isn't a court room and adversarial arguments don't carry any weight. If that is all you have then I'll get the platter ready for your posterior. Science, maths, chemistry and physics are the only currency here.

"As an observation, no real engineer ever addresses other engineers in an aggressive and confrontational manner."  OMG, I am going to forward this to so many engineers.  You have no idea how funny that is.

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Re: Brilliant debunk video of hoax claims - HBs take note (if you can)
« Reply #52 on: January 21, 2013, 10:01:07 PM »
The problem with Ed Fendell is they didn't need Ed Fendell.  The LEM should have sent a signal straight to the camera when the engine started, and the camera could have handled it from there.  Do you really think a guy was sitting in mission control with a joystick just to work the camera for 2 seconds?
2 seconds? No, he was in Mission Control for hours at a time operating the camera on the EVAs of Apollo 15, 16 and 17. He was a real engineer, not like some people/socks I could mention.
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Re: Brilliant debunk video of hoax claims - HBs take note (if you can)
« Reply #53 on: January 21, 2013, 10:02:00 PM »
"As an observation, no real engineer ever addresses other engineers in an aggressive and confrontational manner."  OMG, I am going to forward this to so many engineers.  You have no idea how funny that is.

As long as you're in e-mail mode, will you PM me your real name so I can confirm that you really worked at KSC?
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Re: Brilliant debunk video of hoax claims - HBs take note (if you can)
« Reply #54 on: January 21, 2013, 10:02:57 PM »
The problem with Ed Fendell is they didn't need Ed Fendell.

Who operated the TV during the EVA's?

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The LEM should have sent a signal straight to the camera when the engine started, and the camera could have handled it from there.

Since Ed was ALREADY OPERATING THE TV, it would be ignorant to assume that he didn't operate it during the liftoffs...and you call yourself an engineer...the union ought to come to your house and slap some sense into you.

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Do you really think a guy was sitting in mission control with a joystick just to work the camera for 2 seconds?

...and through the HOURS of EVA's.

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...if you can get the telemetry uplink data for that mission, it would be in there.  I'd need the the data design document to know where it is in the data stream.

No one cares what you think you require...


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I didn't know the other apollo telemetry was available.

So that would make you an "ignorant" engineer?


The rest of your post is just blah, blah, blah.
 

When will you be providing evidence of your engineering background?
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Re: Brilliant debunk video of hoax claims - HBs take note (if you can)
« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2013, 10:04:16 PM »
I've got 30 years in aerospace.  I've worked at VAFB and KSC.

In what capacity?

Engineer.  I worked on space station guidance and control, too.
Why then do you refer to the spacecraft which landed on the Moon as a LEM?
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Re: Brilliant debunk video of hoax claims - HBs take note (if you can)
« Reply #56 on: January 21, 2013, 10:05:22 PM »
There's a video on youtube where they take the mythbusters video with an astronaut jumping using a wire harness, and they slow it down 67%, and it matches up perfectly with a NASA video of an astronaut doing the same thing on the moon... which proves that it's easy to make a video that looks like you're on the moon using slow motion and a wire suspension.

Why would anyone try to fake lunar gravity using slow motion AND a wire harness?  That would be like making a product that was a floor wax AND a dessert topping.

Billions of dollars in funding.

That whooshing sound you just heard was the point whizzing over your head.

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Re: Brilliant debunk video of hoax claims - HBs take note (if you can)
« Reply #57 on: January 21, 2013, 10:06:59 PM »
I am going to forward this to so many engineers.  You have no idea how funny that is.

Because it isn't funny pretending to be something you are not...

....not that you are fooling anyone here, of course.

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Re: Brilliant debunk video of hoax claims - HBs take note (if you can)
« Reply #58 on: January 21, 2013, 10:10:04 PM »
Why then do you refer to the spacecraft which landed on the Moon as a LEM?

I didn't notice....nice job spotting that

That's how we know you are a fake...you use terminology no engineer would use...fact is, the only people who do use the term "LEM", are ignorant hoax believers.

Congratulations..you just debunked yourself. :D

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Re: Brilliant debunk video of hoax claims - HBs take note (if you can)
« Reply #59 on: January 21, 2013, 10:10:59 PM »
I've got 30 years in aerospace.  I've worked at VAFB and KSC.

In what capacity?

Engineer.  I worked on space station guidance and control, too.

Oh yeah? And yet you don't have a b@stard clue about how lunar rendezvous is achieved.
Can I recommend 'The Apollo Guidance Computer: Architecture and Operation'
 By Frank O'Brien.   

As an observation, no real engineer ever addresses other engineers in an aggressive and confrontational manner.
It isn't a court room and adversarial arguments don't carry any weight. If that is all you have then I'll get the platter ready for your posterior. Science, maths, chemistry and physics are the only currency here.

I have no clue how a lunar rendezvous is achieved?  Either does NASA.