Apollo XIII-inconsistences

[gillianren]

Apollohoax also serves another very useful function, and that is exposure of the falsehoods perpetrated by HB's like the Whimper, Hunchbacked and the Blunder from Down Under. Even if we can't convince an HB he's wrong. the reasoned, researched and logical replies here serve to educate those lurkers who read the pages of this forum, and I suspect there are quite a few.

I can't remember who it was who kept insisting the the lurkers knew he was right, but someone responded by starting a poll.  We had several lurkers come forward and say, no, he was obviously really wrong.

[Drewid]

Cosmored has done that elsewhere (I think it was JREF) , so it could have been him.
It didn't work at JREF either, but for some people learning from mistakes isn't a strong suit

[frenat]

Cosmored has done that elsewhere (I think it was JREF) , so it could have been him.
It didn't work at JREF either, but for some people learning from mistakes isn't a strong suit

cosmored insists that on EVERY forum he posts on.  Nobody ever comes to his aid though.  Cosmo just says thats part of the censorship.

[JayUtah]

Or if you disagree with Cosmored's "obvious" truth, then naturally you must be a dishonest person.  And he doesn't debate with "dishonest" people, so he ignores you.

[ineluki]

I can't remember who it was who kept insisting the the lurkers knew he was right, but someone responded by starting a poll.  We had several lurkers come forward and say, no, he was obviously really wrong.

Wasn't it lazarusty?

[Tedward]

I am most concerned with the references to 13. I work away a lot and have, on numerous occasions, stayed in a room with the odious numerals on the portal blocking device. I am now concerned my hotel will crash the next time I stay in room 13.

But wait, what if it is the thirteenth floor and room 13?

[Allan F]

I am most concerned with the references to 13. I work away a lot and have, on numerous occasions, stayed in a room with the odious numerals on the portal blocking device. I am now concerned my hotel will crash the next time I stay in room 13.

But wait, what if it is the thirteenth floor and room 13?

Most hotels skip the number 13 on rooms and floors.

[grmcdorman]

I am most concerned with the references to 13. I work away a lot and have, on numerous occasions, stayed in a room with the odious numerals on the portal blocking device. I am now concerned my hotel will crash the next time I stay in room 13.

But wait, what if it is the thirteenth floor and room 13?

Most hotels skip the number 13 on rooms and floors.

And in areas with large Chinese populations, any floor ending in 4 (leading to floors 1,2,3,5,...11,12,15...). This leads to me computing the real floor number for the floor I'm staying on.

[smartcooky]

Most hotels skip the number 13 on rooms and floors.

Now that is really funny.

Ever since I first heard that back in the 1980's,  I always check up on this. I have stayed a couple of dozen hotels of 13 stories or more over the years since then and I have yet to find one that skipped numbering the 13th floor as 13.

[tarkus]

The second thing that has struck me is these strange images where we see the separate command module service module in lunar orbit (?) Why this maneuver would do if NASA says the CSM completely returned to Earth?


AS13-62-8909


AS13-61-8727

In those photos, the astronaut is photographing the top of the CM, as seen from the LM window, while the LM and CSM are docked. From this angle, it is obviously impossible to see the SM, which as you should know, is attached to the bottom of the CM.

ETA- ninja'ed dang it 

You are wrong: the only chance that the cylinder service module is invisible, it is that the cone of the capsule points directly toward the viewer ... this is clearly not the case.

[Echnaton]

You are wrong: the only chance that the cylinder service module is invisible, it is that the cone of the capsule points directly toward the viewer ... this is clearly not the case.

Welcome back.

What is your experience in photo analysis?  How did you come to this conclusion? Perhaps you could tell us what the relationship between the LM and SM are since you insist it cannot be the one evident in the photo.   Please show your work?

[smartcooky]

The second thing that has struck me is these strange images where we see the separate command module service module in lunar orbit (?) Why this maneuver would do if NASA says the CSM completely returned to Earth?


AS13-62-8909


AS13-61-8727

In those photos, the astronaut is photographing the top of the CM, as seen from the LM window, while the LM and CSM are docked. From this angle, it is obviously impossible to see the SM, which as you should know, is attached to the bottom of the CM.

ETA- ninja'ed dang it 

You are wrong: the only chance that the cylinder service module is invisible, it is that the cone of the capsule points directly toward the viewer ... this is clearly not the case.

Well, its quite simple really. The LM window through which the photo was taken is not as far from the midline of the stack as the edge of the CSM, so its not possible to see the sides



Windows red arrowed
Best possible line-of-sight blue arrowed

[Count Zero]

Furthermore, the photos clearly show windows and a hatch, which the Command Module has and the cylindrical Service Module does not.

[onebigmonkey]

You are wrong: the only chance that the cylinder service module is invisible, it is that the cone of the capsule points directly toward the viewer ... this is clearly not the case.

If you look carefully at the image you can see a long 'pole' structure sticking out from the spacecraft. This is the EVA floodlight boom, and is attached to the service module structure, not the command module.

You can see it here on the discarded SM, circled in red (I have adjusted the contrast to highlight it):



from this:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS13/58/8456.jpg

and you can also see it more clearly on this Apollo 15 image:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/AS15-88-11961HR.jpg

The apparent continuation of the pole towards the CM window is just the reflection of it.

[Zakalwe]

You are wrong: the only chance that the cylinder service module is invisible, it is that the cone of the capsule points directly toward the viewer ... this is clearly not the case.

And what about commenting on the other areas that you were so sure of in your original post?

• The number 13?
• The filming of Haise?
• The use of the LM motor?
• The heatshield?

Why ignore the answers that you were given on these to comment only on your erroneous interpretation of the photos of the CSM/LM stack? I wouldn't like to assume that you have now conceded the other points......I'd much rather hear you say that.