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Offline Peter B

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Re: Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #300 on: July 29, 2015, 09:50:46 AM »
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Why is it a sick joke? Do you understand what constitutes a sick joke?



No, mate of course not. ;)

Ma-a-a-ate!



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I really really wonder why people still believe we went tp the moon?

Everything is just against it.

Yeah, gravity sucks, doesn't it, ma-a-a-ate.

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People here probably also believe that evolutio is true...

Yes.

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...black holes exist...

Yes.

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...relativity theory is right...

Yes.

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...quantum nechanics is correct...

Yes.

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...that there was a Biggie Bangie.

And you think...what? That "The Matrix" was a documentary?

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I am at aw at how easy it is to fool the people.

But you know how it is:


What? That 64.8% of memes on the Internet are made up?
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Re: Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #301 on: July 29, 2015, 09:57:07 AM »
Where are the moon rocks?
C-rock?
Punk rock?
Rock and roll?
The Russians were sold grain?
The data feeds were pre-scripted tapes and were transmitted from relay satellites orbiting the Moon?
The lunar surface was too hot to walk on?
The film would be damaged by radiation?
They couldn't take that many photographs?
The lunar rover didn't form perfect rooster tails?
Aldrin's boot print was impossible.

Take your pick Tindarormkimcha.

You are funny, but ah well, let's pick the moon rocks! It has been proven they are faked! right?

Um, no. Try these people: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/samples/

Incidentally, were the Soviets in on it too? Do you think the Cold War was faked?
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Re: Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #302 on: July 29, 2015, 10:06:07 AM »

Um, no. Try these people: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/samples/

Incidentally, were the Soviets in on it too? Do you think the Cold War was faked?
It was all an illusion, including that "moon rock" given to the Dutch "by the Apollo 11 astronauts". 
But wait, NASA published information on the goodwill tour, AND no rocks were given out?  hmmmmm
And as posted elsewhere in this thread, all samples given to countries, consisted of 4 small pieces encased in Lucite. hmmmm
He needs to come out and make a statement and give some facts like LunarOrbit has suggested.  BaaHaa, like that is going to happen.
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Re: Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #303 on: July 29, 2015, 10:14:07 AM »
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"Moon rock" in museum is just petrofied wood.



AMSTERDAM — It's not green cheese, but it might as well be.
The Dutch national museum said Thursday that one of its prized possessions, a rock supposedly brought back from the moon by U.S. astronauts, is just a piece of petrified wood.
Rijksmuseum spokeswoman Xandra van Gelder, who oversaw the investigation that proved the piece was a fake, said the museum will keep it anyway as a curiosity.
"It's a good story, with some questions that are still unanswered," she said. "We can laugh about it."
The museum acquired the rock after the death of former Prime Minister Willem Drees in 1988. Drees received it as a private gift on Oct. 9, 1969, from then-U.S. ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their "Giant Leap" goodwill tour after the first moon landing.
Middendorf, who lives in Rhode Island, told Dutch broadcaster NOS news that he had gotten it from the U.S. State Department, but couldn't recall the exact details.
"I do remember that (Drees) was very interested in the little piece of stone," the NOS quoted Middendorf as saying. "But that it's not real, I don't know anything about that."
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He could not immediately be reached for comment Thursday.
The U.S. Embassy in the Hague said it was investigating the matter.
The museum had vetted the moon rock with a phone call to NASA, Van Gelder said.
She said the space agency told the museum then that it was possible the Netherlands had received a rock: NASA gave moon rocks to more than 100 countries in the early 1970s, but those were from later missions.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/32581790/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/moon-rock-museum-just-petrified-wood/

Uh-huh.

So after only one mission to the Moon NASA had so much Moon rock to spare that it was giving away chunks of...something...to former Prime Ministers of small European nations? Do you think that perhaps the six people who'd succeeded Drees as Dutch PM might want their chunk of rock too? And what about all the other former PMs of US-aligned countries? And while Drees gets a whole rock, the Netherlands as a country gets a piece the size of a grain of rice encased in acrylic...

Do you think your claim bears even a passing resemblance to reality?
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Re: Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #304 on: July 29, 2015, 10:22:59 AM »

What joy these psychopatjh have!!! What a wonderfull time!

They are reallyu glowing after their great hoax oeps achievement! Halleluja!



LOL

I suppose then this photo must be proof they went...

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Re: Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #305 on: July 29, 2015, 10:34:08 AM »
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Australian Viewers See Something
That Proves Apollo 11 Was A Fake

In western Australia during the live broadcast of the Apollo 11 moon landing, several people saw a very unusual occurrence. One viewer, Una Ronald watched the telecast and was astonished with what she saw.

The residents of Honeysuckle Creek, Australia, actually saw a different broadcast to the rest of the World. Just shortly before Armstrong stepped onto the Moons surface, a change could be seen where the picture goes from a stark black to a brighter picture. Honeysuckle Creek stayed with the picture and although the voice transmissions were broadcast from Goldstone, the actual film footage was broadcast from Australia. As Una watched Armstrong walking on the surface of the Moon she spotted a Coke bottle that was kicked in the right hand side of the picture. This was in the early hours of the morning and she phoned her friends to see if they had seen the same thing, unfortunately they had missed it but were going to watch the rebroadcast the next day. Needless to say, the footage had been edited and the offending Coke bottle had been cut out of the film. But several other viewers had seen the bottle and many articles appeared in The West Australian newspaper.

Nope, they didn't.

You see, I bothered to do the research. A few years ago I went to the National Library and read through the "West Australian" on microfilm from July to September 1969.

Lots of articles about Apollo 11 and how people in Perth were going to see the Moon walk. Even a few letters to the editor complaining about the cost of the mission. But no articles and no letters to the editor from anyone claiming to have seen any Coke bottles or other anomalies.

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Western Australia received their coverage in a different way to the rest of the World. They were the only Country where there wasn't a delay to the 'live' transmission.  Bill Kaysing says 'NASA and other connected agencies couldn't get to the Moon and back and so went to ARPA (Advanced Research Projects Agency) in Massachusetts and asked them how they could simulate the actual landing and space walks. We have to remember that all communications with Apollo were run and monitored by NASA, and therefore journalists who thought they were hearing men on the Moon could have easily been misled. All NASA footage was actually filmed off TV screens at Houston Mission Control for the TV coverage... No one in the media were given the raw footage.'

Bill Wood is a highly qualified scientist and has degrees in mathematics, physics and chemistry, and a space rocket and propulsion engineer.  He has been granted high security clearance for a number of top secret projects and has worked with Macdonald Douglas and engineers who worked on the Saturn 5 rocket (the Apollo launch vehicle). He worked at Goldstone as a Communications Engineer during the Apollo missions. Goldstone in California, USA, were responsible for receiving and distributing the pictures sent from the Apollo to Houston. He says early video machines were used to record the NASA footage here on Earth by the TV networks. They received the FM carrier signal on Earth, ran it through an FM demodulator and processed it in an RCA scan converter that took the slow scan signal and converted it to the US standard black and white TV signal. The film was then sent onto Houston. When they were converting from slow scan to fast scan, RCA used disc and scan recorders as a memory and it played back the same video several times until it got an updated picture. In other words the signal was recorded onto video one then converted to video two.  Movie film runs at 30 frames per second, whereas video film runs at 60 frames per second. So in other words the footage that most people saw that they thought was 'live' wasn't, and was actually 50% slower than the original footage!!!

So if it was all faked beforehand how could Mission Control give the astronauts accurate scores from games in progress at the time? Or is the golf and baseball and football all faked too?
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Re: Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #306 on: July 29, 2015, 10:41:46 AM »
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Australian Viewers See Something
That Proves Apollo 11 Was A Fake

In western Australia during the live broadcast of the Apollo 11 moon landing, several people saw a very unusual occurrence. One viewer, Una Ronald watched the telecast and was astonished with what she saw.

The residents of Honeysuckle Creek, Australia, actually saw a different broadcast to the rest of the World. Just shortly before Armstrong stepped onto the Moons surface, a change could be seen where the picture goes from a stark black to a brighter picture. Honeysuckle Creek stayed with the picture and although the voice transmissions were broadcast from Goldstone, the actual film footage was broadcast from Australia. As Una watched Armstrong walking on the surface of the Moon she spotted a Coke bottle that was kicked in the right hand side of the picture. This was in the early hours of the morning and she phoned her friends to see if they had seen the same thing, unfortunately they had missed it but were going to watch the rebroadcast the next day. Needless to say, the footage had been edited and the offending Coke bottle had been cut out of the film. But several other viewers had seen the bottle and many articles appeared in The West Australian newspaper.

Nope, they didn't.

You see, I bothered to do the research. I went to the National Library and read through a couple of months' worth of the "West Australian" on microfilm from July to September 1969.

Lots of articles about Apollo 11 and how people in Perth were going to see the Moon walk. Even a few letters to the editor complaining about the cost of the mission. But no articles and no letters to the editor from anyone claiming to have seen any Coke bottles or other anomalies.
Isn't this an allegation by Blunder-boy?  Or Did Kaysing/Rene start this?  Too bad you can't post to Blunder-down-under's web page to refute this bit of BS.
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Re: Tindarormkimcha's thread
« Reply #307 on: July 29, 2015, 10:45:44 AM »
Isn't it about time for the C rock?
So far, all his posts together make nothing but a big steaming crock.
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Re: Tindarormkimcha's thread
« Reply #308 on: July 29, 2015, 11:00:57 AM »
Also, why is it that all hoaxer believers seem to think Apollo sprang up from no-where? Ranger, Surveyor, Mercury and Gemini seem jibberish to them.

Because hoax believers are almost uniformly ignorant of just about everything to do with space flight in general and the Apollo program in particular.

But there's another problem, and that's the conspiracists' inability to understand and properly apply context.  It suits their desire to believe in a hoax, so they like to talk about, say, Apollo 11 in isolation  (assuming they even know there were other missions).  That allows them to appeal to the supposedly unique nature of the mission as an exception to technical history and claim that it sprung up out of nowhere (starting with "Kennedy shocked NASA by saying we'd go to the Moon") and then was whipped off the table like a magician's trick (e.g., "we never went back").  Of course, this completely ignores - well, is completely unaware of - the prodigious scientific and operational effort leading up to Apollo and the scientific and engineering results that came during and after the landings.  Even when hoax believers do accumulate various facts, like a crow collecting twigs and shiny objects, they inevitably fail to place them into context (e.g., the Australian "polar orbit" kid) because, unlike the crow, they lack the disposition and ability to do so.

The flip side of the HBs' context deficit is that when they do try to invoke context, it's a cargo-cult version of the real thing.  Anything is connected to anything without regard for whether there's any kind of causal link, or evidence, or consistency; the only criterion is whether verbal or written association can sound kind of suspicious if made in enough of a sneering tone and your audience doesn't really understand the subject ("Wheat shipments!  Killer electrons!")

It's the intellectual equivalent of watching political ads while stoked up on Cocoa Puffs and Red Bull.  The conspiracists get some sort of neural gratification, but it doesn't match up well against people who are knowledgeable and willing to really engage in a discussion, rather than just grunting at each other on comments forums.  That's why I don't intend to pay attention to Tindarormkimcha if he doesnt grow up a little; it's like arguing with a monkey in a cage flinging waste at you.  There's no point and it only gratifies the monkey.

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Re: Tindarormkimcha's thread
« Reply #309 on: July 29, 2015, 11:02:54 AM »
For  Tindarormkimcha

Since you are so interested in popular writings on Apollo.  Here is a well written layman's article put up on Ars Technica about the guidance computer and the program alarms that threatened the A11 landing.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/07/no-a-checklist-error-did-not-almost-derail-the-first-moon-landing/

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Re: Tindarormkimcha's thread
« Reply #310 on: July 29, 2015, 11:05:07 AM »
I highly doubt the spam and taunts were intended to do anything more than get some quick attention, especially given his tell-tale comments: first that we wouldn't be able to ignore him even if we wanted to, and second that we must take this site "very very seriously."  You can't get much more explicit an admission of trolling.  Therefore I highly doubt there's any need to re-address the long-debunked detritus he's dragged up from the depths of the Internet.  If he comes back, I really doubt it will be to engage.  Expect more spam and taunts.
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Re: Tindarormkimcha's thread
« Reply #311 on: July 29, 2015, 11:15:30 AM »
I just read the SSTV conversion description above. The fellow who wrote it, Blind Freddy seems to be dabbling in TV operations now - and that passage proves he has absolutely no idea how scan conversion works.
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Re: Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists
« Reply #312 on: July 29, 2015, 11:29:12 AM »
Isn't this an allegation by Blunder-boy?  Or Did Kaysing/Rene start this?  Too bad you can't post to Blunder-down-under's web page to refute this bit of BS.

No, it's the infamous "Una Ronald" (Not Her Real Name™) story from Mary Bennett and David Percy.  In their book Dark Moon they present this pseudonymous witness, whose real name has been withheld to protect her identity.  It also seems to prevent anyone from checking up on the claim.  But then in Percy's longer-than-Lawrence-of-Arabia film What Happened on the Moon? he shows "Una's" face onscreen.  So much for protecting her identity.

And as did Peter B, I also checked up on the story.  The archivist at the West Australian was quite helpful and confirmed not only that Una Ronald's claim had no basis in fact, but that to her knowledge Bennett and Percy never made any similar request themselves.  (The authors claim they attempted to confirm the "Una" story with the West Australian but got no answer.)

Of course the real problem with the "Una Ronald" story, if you don't want to read the Clavius link, is that it doesn't sound like a story that would be told by an Australian resident.  Too many details are simply wrong for it to be the testimony of someone who was actually there.  The wrong details are the kinds of mistakes a non-Australian would make if he were inventing a story about Australia and didn't do a lot of homework.  That the second edition of Dark Moon fixes those details doesn't help the authors' case.  When you've been caught with your hand in the cookie jar, the last thing you want to do is wipe the crumbs off your face while Mum is standing right there asking about it.
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Re: Tindarormkimcha's thread
« Reply #313 on: July 29, 2015, 11:46:26 AM »
Jay, I was actually referring to
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Australian Viewers See Something
That Proves Apollo 11 Was A Fake

In western Australia during the live broadcast of the Apollo 11 moon landing, several people saw a very unusual occurrence. One viewer, Una Ronald watched the telecast and was astonished with what she saw.

The residents of Honeysuckle Creek, Australia, actually saw a different broadcast to the rest of the World. Just shortly before Armstrong stepped onto the Moons surface, a change could be seen where the picture goes from a stark black to a brighter picture. Honeysuckle Creek stayed with the picture and although the voice transmissions were broadcast from Goldstone, the actual film footage was broadcast from Australia. As Una watched Armstrong walking on the surface of the Moon she spotted a Coke bottle that was kicked in the right hand side of the picture. This was in the early hours of the morning and she phoned her friends to see if they had seen the same thing, unfortunately they had missed it but were going to watch the rebroadcast the next day. Needless to say, the footage had been edited and the offending Coke bottle had been cut out of the film. But several other viewers had seen the bottle and many articles appeared in The West Australian newspaper.
I have read the Clavius account, I was just referencing the part where several other viewers had seen the bottle..
Sorry for my bad referencing.

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Re: Tindarormkimcha's thread
« Reply #314 on: July 29, 2015, 11:47:21 AM »
Gee, I missed this party.

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In 1969 computer chips had not been invented. The maximum computer memory was 256k, and this was housed in a large air conditioned building. In 2002 a top of the range computer requires at least 64 Mb of memory to run a simulated Moon landing, and that does not include the memory required to take off again once landed. The alleged computer on board Apollo 11 had 32k of memory. That's the equivalent of a simple calculator.



Integrated Circuits:

First concieved...1949
First fabricated...1958

AGC memory? Sufficient to it's task. They weren't trying to run Call of Duty on it.

Gotta be a trololol.