Why I suspect Apollo was a hoax.

[Luke Pemberton]

Here's a video of a UK TV presenter/journalist going into a vacuum chamber.

That's great. I like the part with the water. What do you think to that Neil? Let's recall, one of your original claims was testing a sublimator would destroy the integrity of the vacuum, but yet we demonstrably observe in this video that the 'vacuum' was maintained despite the 'boiling' water. Such is this gish gallop, Neil has changed horses with his ideas of testing the PLSS in a vacuum.

Original horse: A sublimator test would put strain on the vacuum pumps.
New horse: The PLSS and sublimator should have been tested in a vacuum.

[bknight]

Neither do you.
But we could PROVE it.
On Earth.
Today.
Would you volunteer to wear the spacesuit in a vacuum chamber?

Why yes I can prove that parts of Surveyor were returned after photography of the lander.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveyor_3

[Abaddon]

I know this is off-topic

Yes. Yes it is indeed off topic. It is becoming you signature pattern. Keep it up and members will start reporting you to the mod.

but you might want to change your avatar because every time I read your comments I read them as if Butters were reading them. It's hilarious.

So? Every time I see yours I think "Oh, this crackpot".

As for the definition of stress in the context in which it was used, I mean psychological stress of being in a potentially dangerous environment.

That is what test pilots do for a living. What of it?

I suspect pulse and rate of breathing would be monitored.

Wait...WHAT? They were continuously monitored. IT was the Flight Surgeons frakkin job to monitor that data. How in seven hells do you not know this?

Hyperventilation while in orbit and possibly passing out would probably be very bad in orbit.

Why? Once you have established orbit, you can go for a nap if you like because Newton is in the driving seat. Or loose consciousness if you prefer, Newton is still in the driving seat. You seem to have some fantasy concept that they had to fly seat of the pants, teeth gritted with sweaty brow, grimly clasping a joystick whilst their life depended upon not a moments inattention. Twasn't so, m'laddie buck. On Apollo, they pretty much kept the same schedule with all three astronauts sleeping at the same time.

Best to test and train for it in a vacuum chamber on Earth first.

Apart from critical phases they spent the vast majority of their time in shirt sleeves and zero G. How a vacuum chamber on Earth might be useful is anyones guess.

Ain't no 9-11 in orbit.

Off topic red herring. You really like those.

[Neil Baker]

Why yes I can prove that parts of Surveyor were returned after photography of the lander.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveyor_3

Returned from where? And how do you know from where they were returned?

[Neil Baker]

Here's a video of a UK TV presenter/journalist going into a vacuum chamber.

That's great. I like the part with the water. What do you think to that Neil? Let's recall, one of your original claims was testing a sublimator would destroy the integrity of the vacuum, but yet we demonstrably observe in this video that the 'vacuum' was maintained despite the 'boiling' water. Such is this gish gallop, Neil has changed horses with his ideas of testing the PLSS in a vacuum.

Original horse: A sublimator test would put strain on the vacuum pumps.
New horse: The PLSS and sublimator should have been tested in a vacuum.

It's obviously not high vacuum.
Notice the attendants with eyes and skin exposed.
Better luck next time.

[Luke Pemberton]

It is becoming you signature pattern. Keep it up and members will start reporting you to the mod.

Yes, little off topic remark, let the thread run and then change horse in attempt to crawl from previous hole that was dug. Gish gallop.

So? Every time I see yours I think "Oh, this crackpot".

That's what I was going to say, or words to that effect.

I suspect pulse and rate of breathing would be monitored.

Wait...WHAT? They were continuously monitored. IT was the Flight Surgeons frakkin job to monitor that data. How in seven hells do you not know this?

Ah, those parts in Apollo 13 have confused me for years. You mean to say they had a surgeon on the flight team. I just thought that was Hollywood. 

On Apollo, they pretty much kept the same schedule with all three astronauts sleeping at the same time.

Gene Cernan spoke about this, and how they tried to keep their normal earth routines.

[Apollo 957]

Why yes I can prove that parts of Surveyor were returned after photography of the lander.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveyor_3

Returned from where? And how do you know from where they were returned?

From the Moon. The post-recovery report that was posted earlier, which you seem to have ignored or not noticed, confirms this.

[Apollo 957]

Here's a video of a UK TV presenter/journalist going into a vacuum chamber.

That's great. I like the part with the water. What do you think to that Neil? Let's recall, one of your original claims was testing a sublimator would destroy the integrity of the vacuum, but yet we demonstrably observe in this video that the 'vacuum' was maintained despite the 'boiling' water. Such is this gish gallop, Neil has changed horses with his ideas of testing the PLSS in a vacuum.

Original horse: A sublimator test would put strain on the vacuum pumps.
New horse: The PLSS and sublimator should have been tested in a vacuum.

It's obviously not high vacuum.
Notice the attendants with eyes and skin exposed.
Better luck next time.

You mean the attendants outside the chamber? Or those going in and out when preparing for the test, or escorting the subject out after it's completed?

[bknight]

Returned from where? And how do you know from where they were returned?

Well flight and telemetry data indicate the vehicle travelled to the Moon and landed, three times if you read the article, took images of the surrounding area and sample the soil strength leading to manned landings on the Moon.  Then Apollo 12 followed some three years later.  http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/missions/apollo/apollo_12/
As witnesses, I have no particular names but several including myself watched the Saturn V lift the craft into LEO.  The mission included a more precise landing than A11, which was accomplished near the Surveyor crater.  Images came be found at http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/frame.html.  Pete and Alan used their sublimators on two EVA's, one to the Surveyor 3 site, at which photos were taken.  Upon lift off  Intrepid rendezvous with Yankee Clipper rock samples and Surveyor parts are transferred to the CSM.   The CSM returns to the earth where the samples end up at JSC. You may view all the flight paths of the mission, the images and the transcripts all at the linked site.

[Abaddon]

It's obviously not high vacuum.

Airlocks. What are they for?

Notice the attendants with eyes and skin exposed.

Still haven't figured out the concept of airlocks, I see. The clue is in the name.

Better luck next time.

Try reading the material provided next time.

[JayUtah]

But we could PROVE it.
On Earth.

We already have.  You just refuse to consider it because you want to trump up a controversy.

[Luke Pemberton]

Newton is still in the driving seat.

I like that line in Apollo 13. It really sums up orbital mechanics. So many CTs think it is like driving a car.

[Abaddon]

Newton is still in the driving seat.

I like that line in Apollo 13. It really sums up orbital mechanics. So many CTs think it is like driving a car.

Indeed.

There are many hoax luddites who really believe that it was necessary to blast the engines at full throttle all the way to the moon, therefore it must be a hoax as it is not possible to carry so much fuel. I kid you not. Some people really think that it was necessary to burn the whole way to the moon and back

[Luke Pemberton]

There are many hoax luddites who really believe that it was necessary to blast the engines at full throttle all the way to the moon, therefore it must be a hoax as it is not possible to carry so much fuel. I kid you not. Some people really think that it was necessary to burn the whole way to the moon and back

...and of course Jarrah with his theory that Apollo 13 didn't have enough fuel to return to Earth until it was pointed out to him that it didn't need to burn the same amount of fuel as the other Apollo missions, as it was on a FRT and not required to enter lunar orbit (I'm not referring to the Mod).

[gillianren]

Amazing to see Charlie Brown close up. I've taken some pictures of the heat shield (what's left of it anyway). For those that are UK based, the Science Museum has a Cosmonaut Exhibition opening in a couple of weeks.

If some can PM me the code to display the images at the correct width, I'll save them as JPEG and load them to the Reality of Apollo section. Thanks in advance.

Cool.  Not having visited on, is the hatch covered by Plexiglas and the interior viewed through it?

The one I saw years ago was completely covered in Plexiglas, with an open hatch.