Allancw's World

[Bob B.]

I don't know much about aeronautics, so let me work out the physical meaning of these units. This looks a lot like the classic kinetic energy equation, 1/2 * m * v² ...

You can also see the simularity between the equations for dynamic pressure and drag force:

Dynamic pressure = 1/2 * Rho * V²

Drag force = 1/2 * C_d * Rho * V² * A

Dynamic pressure is measured in Pa or N/m².  Multiply that by the area, A, in m², and the drag coefficient, C_d, which is dimensionless, and you have the drag force, in N.

[Noldi400]

Pizza boxes? I hate to resort to catch-phrases, but he's not even wrong.

Yeah, it was more like a row of vertical uncooked spaghetti.  Once the floor trusses pulled loose and the walls bowed out, the rest was more or less dominoes.

[raven]

You know, the WTC was bombed before. If the US government wanted to stir things up but knew that planes couldn't bring the towers, why not just set up explain like the 'truthers' claim, why didn't they just bomb it in a similar false flag operation? It certainly is a lot simpler, as you don't have a lot of passengers that need to be either removed from the picture or created whole cloth.

[Allan F]

Yes, a big truck bomb. They had to fix the garage. To do real damage that way, you'll have to do something special with the bomb, like using real explosives, instead of fertilizer-based home made stuff. And you'll have to place it very carefully - and use a directed explosion to maximize the damage to the structure.

[raven]

Yes, a big truck bomb. They had to fix the garage. To do real damage that way, you'll have to do something special with the bomb, like using real explosives, instead of fertilizer-based home made stuff. And you'll have to place it very carefully - and use a directed explosion to maximize the damage to the structure.

Still, if they were planning on bombing the place anyway, adding planes just seems like a needless complication.

[ka9q]

Still, if they were planning on bombing the place anyway, adding planes just seems like a needless complication.

Well, that made it a lot more spectacular, and from the truthers' perspective it "explains" to the sheeple why the towers collapsed.

[raven]

Still, if they were planning on bombing the place anyway, adding planes just seems like a needless complication.

Well, that made it a lot more spectacular, and from the truthers' perspective it "explains" to the sheeple why the towers collapsed.

I don't know, a bombing would be pretty spectacular, Just pin it on some group like the 'truther's' claim was done anyway.

[ka9q]

Not as spectacular as what actually happened on 9/11.

KSM, OBL and the rest of al Qaeda may be/have been absolutely deranged religious fanatics, but you have to hand it to them. They really knew how to tweak the deepest fears of the US public and government. Perhaps their most brilliant tactic was in allowing just enough time after the first plane struck for all the TV cameras to get into place to carry the second strike live.

That's why they call it "terrorism".

[Andromeda]

Not as spectacular as what actually happened on 9/11.

KSM, OBL and the rest of al Qaeda may be/have been absolutely deranged religious fanatics, but you have to hand it to them. They really knew how to tweak the deepest fears of the US public and government. Perhaps their most brilliant tactic was in allowing just enough time after the first plane struck for all the TV cameras to get into place to carry the second strike live.

That's why they call it "terrorism".

Same thing with the 7/7 London bombings.  Just enough time between the ones on the tube and the one on the bus for people to get from one to the other.

[raven]

7/7 worked less well though, because they were going against Londoners. They knew all about terrorism already.

[ka9q]

I thought your link would lead to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_troubles. The Blitz was all-out war, not terrorism.

[raven]

I thought your link would lead to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_troubles. The Blitz was all-out war, not terrorism.

  It was meant to terrorize the population into submission and not merely to destroy military infrastructure. I'd call that terrorism.

[Chew]

Right up there with pizza boxes.

[Sus_pilot]

That guy's voice sounds just like the synthesized voice used at large airports on the ATIS (automated weather broadcast to pilots).

[ka9q]

It was meant to terrorize the population into submission and not merely to destroy military infrastructure. I'd call that terrorism.

Well, yes. But in the language of the Allies that was called "weakening enemy morale" -- at least when they did it to the Germans and Japanese. It was Joseph Goebbels who first used the term "terror bombing" to describe aerial strategic bombing. Seriously.